Look at the problems there. First i would like to introduce our Panel Including myself. Doctor pills very the foremost china expert in the world. Currently senior fellow and director of the chinese strategy at the hands Hudson Institute. Distinguish policy advisor. I can tell you definitively it has changed the us militarys thinking only a number of years ago. The First American official that revealed what they were telling themselves militarily is quite different than how they wanted to be friends in the world. And then to have a tremendous impact on understanding the military his book is a Landmark Book the 100 year marathon. Is one of the only places with the chinese defectors. And then reveal what is going on. And a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and as a distinguished china expert to spend time as a bomber pilot and has been inside of china as a Defense Attache to track down the inside story of china. His book is called stealth war. Im National Security correspondent for the Washington Times and author of eight books my most recent book is called deceiving the sky. It is a followon to a book i wrote 20 years ago called the china threat. And then i gained quite a reputation back in 2006 when the Chinese News Agency described me as the number one anti china expert in the world to which i respond i very much pro chin china, pro Chinese People that very much opposed to the communist party system. Was big them at the first panelist doctor pills very doctor pills very. Thank you. I will review a new publication coming out in two weeks from the Hudson Institute you can get it online. It is called a guide to the Trump Administration china policy and has a link to the 200 statements and interviews by President Trump and the top members of his team. There has been a lot of misunderstanding and the left has attacked and what his team has said and done the last three and a half years. I think we will have more attacks on the president to be too soft on china running commercials where they imply President Trump is soft on china and Vice President biden comes on says eyewear demand president xi tell us what happened in move on with the virus. And i will save you against President Trump. I believe the president s policy toward china, the three cs, cs, clear and coherent and comprehensive. If you go through the documents according to the subject matter i will give you some examples of among conservatives on china is very wide its not altogether clear where we are going with the china policy over the last three decades or what will happen in the next two decades. A conservative reporter called jesus in beijing came out about ten years ago and forecast christianity will take over china and the leading largest nation in the world of christians will be china. Totally wrong. He misunderstood some trend one some trends is a positive thought it would be nice. Completely false. The other is the coming collapse of china Vice President pence address this directly at Hudson Institute. The coming collapse of china over many months was the number one book in america on china. The coming collapse of china. I like the author very much is name is gordon chang. I said dont predict a year that china will collapse. Leave some flexibility. He said no. It will be 2012. It came out in 2001. Vice president penson his speech at hudson said since 2001, china gdp their economic strength has grown by how much . Ten times. Was data coming collapse . Know. In 2012 Foreign Policy magazine asked gordon give us an article. When will china collapse because that means it wont be a problem very long so he wrote the article. They said give us when it will. I would have said i dont know maybe 2050 or who knows he wrote again 2013. One more year. This point of view infects a lot of thinking about china. Looking at the Trump Administration statements you begin to get idea what the president is saying. Number one. He has said at least ten times he has tweeted or said it ten times. If Hillary Clinton had won the election, china would be surpassing is now. That is extremely important. The president and his team see china as coming close to us with the rate of economic growth, military growth and other indicators are not to be trifled with to think this is an easy challenge. I also want to mention my own book. I make mistakes throughout my career. I thought i was one of the original that china would align with us not only to get to the soviet union but help us in the world as a whole. President nixon thought that and really there was the sit on recently declassified memorandums and president nixon told premier mouth we need you to relieve the burden of global governance. We need china to have more armaments so we can have less. 1972. See how the thinking has consequences over the years . I believe that myself. When he turned back to the Trump Administration statements what are the points they are making is the scale of the challenge. It is in panama or venezuela. Its not a small country we are dealing with. Nuclear weapons, serious navy and most important, a growth rate averaging more than 10 percent 35 years. It now looks like, nobody has an exact number but Technology Theft was one part of that rapid growth. There were two other parts for what we do next. Number one was american capital. We seem to have been the largest investor in china for 30 years. No one seems to know how to undo that. Is not even in an exact number. Some people think it is several trillion us dollars invested in china. Companies, private equity, general spalding begins his book with the story. He wants to write a paper, fresh out of the air force he tells the story in the first few pages. The think tank president said we cannot find your projects. He said billionaires and various people who have made money from china. This is an enormous problem. If we are influenced deeply about capital for china, how do we undo that . It will take legislation which leads to my second point of what we do next and where growth came from. Technology, restricting us capital takes legislation to my counted more than 80 examples currently of bills introduced by congressman or senators to impose costs on china including being able to sue china for damages for the china virus. Generally speaking all this legislation attracts i was a Senate Staffer for ten years when they cared about something they would tell the staff go find cosponsors sometimes ill say that the cosponsors so these 80 bills are being introduced sometimes with zero cosponsors other than the one who drafted it and they are going nowhere. No hearings. The leadership doesnt put them up for a vote. We are in deep trouble the senators and congressmen come on television. They come on fox news. They see an audience of 4 million people. The host more and more they say senator, how is your bill doing cracks how many cosponsors do you have . At extremely constructive that people dont get away with virtue signaling. I might china i want to stop them here is my bill and here is the people i meet with in china have phds from american universities i would advise the Chinese Government president xi daughter harvard graduate others yale graduate. The understand the system extremely well. My last point is how are americans influencing operations inside china . Do are ambassadors speak mandarin fluently . Its never happened. To are somewhat good but not Television Show fluent in either with a. What about our programs . They are blocked. They are jammed. But what about the magazine no more usia but then to say i would like to do that inside china. It would be very difficult some senators propose this and what happened to the legislation just like i said it is dead and goes nowhere. Except on fox news i have a plan and nothing happens. You have time to promote my own book if anyone is interested based on a history of declassified documents. How naive and delusional president s and policymakers including myself trying to have 100,000 copies eight languages its a bestseller so this is my challenge for general spalding his book has sold 33000 copies so i am six times more but that doesnt mean the quality of my book is higher it just means his is better not to mention our moderators build book i dont know his sales figures but i hate to deliver bad news but it seems to me we are in for a long cold war with china with the early phases and so far President Trump has turned things around and it is possible he has a successful formula that we are a long way to go before china becomes the china we all thought what happened before. How is that for an Opening Statement . Excellent. Well said. You mentioned legislation all the best things done regarding china has been in legislation. Policy can be changed administration to administration. The taiwan relations act after they recognize beijing diplomatically. Also the annual military power report its important to codify these things and we see that what the Trump Administration. Lets turn to general spalding. Its interesting and when i got to the pentagon in 2014 so just read the concluding chapter you can have a synopsis of what he was trying to say and essentially that we bent over backwards to help the Chinese Communist power to go into the power that it is. And i got to the pentagon 2014 i was very much a panda hugger. In fact michael taught me what he would say now is a super haw hawk. But i dont feel myself to be hawkish. I look at to defend American People and way of life. But now with the National Security strategy, to be clear and concise and comprehensive its about how we turn things around. While it has been noted that hasnt been widely understood so its about the background and context behind the National Strategy what the administration is attempting to do if you want to know about how successful the president s Foreign Policy has been, i would refer you to the uk decision allowing huawai to build a 5g network. The media would have you believe that decision was made overnight or over a couple of months as a result of the coronavirus but it demonstrates the power of the diplomatic effort by the department of state and National Security council beginning the First Quarter 2018 after the National Security strategy wa was, that diplomatic effort is something that we describe in the National Security council as forging a new but before you have a plan or strategy you have to understand the problem. The main problem we were addressing is the inability of the United States to get the interest promoted within International Institutions and the lack of geopolitical power in those institutions. The primary reason was because most of the nation in those institutions look to china and the model is economic and political and social and more beneficial. With the view of the world free trade and democracy and rule of law. And the fact United States needed to forge a new consensus similar to the western consensus to bring democracies together again in a tight relationship economically, financially and then to match it is already Strong Military alliances. That decision by the uk is emblematic of how successful that initiative in diplomacy has been. But to the coronavirus and the aftermath many people talk about the origin. We cannot get investigators into china into the lab to talk to the researchers working to understand the line of effort or the research or what happened. There is any relation. And that wasnt that they accidentally was over the spread of the virus but a manifestation and the institution but they directly spread the virus. January 7 president xi himself said he is in charge of the wuhan crisis. On the 13th of january media reports about human to human transmission that have come out in china. In fact on the 14th of january and we talk about limited human transition. What happened between januar jah were here is in charge and those that were there when he shut down wuhan. Not only was a Chinese Communist party putting pressure on who not to discuss transmission but also locking down the spread of that information within china. In fact, at the same time so then to turn into that but at the same time they shut down Domestic Travel from wuhan that allowed International Travel to go forward. That has a net effect to put them into the lead position with the spread of the pandemic. They knew it would impact Chinese Society but they wanted to make sure it impacted other societies as well and they have the means to profit and michael pills very talks about it with the second cold war and the pandemic is opening shots of the second cold war. Interestingly not only do they uncork the spreading pandemic but they also uncork a new form of diplomatic and informational war. And michael is a very good historian he can talk about watching and then compared to the nationalist party. But as a strategist i can tell you that the way the chinese think about more and as opposed to the way that we look at it specifically with peace time and were time and that and you use warfare to get but that the entire war is the political war and in fact the coronavirus is the beginning of a political offensive against the free world. And those diplomatic efforts they have that wall for your diplomacy to spread the idea coronavirus did not manifest itself in china but spread by the United States. Just like they said it was spread by sprain on spain. But those 40 percent of social media posts that is the influence of social media with the same activity to follow the rise and the alluding that come on the tail of the coronavirus the looking at what two people is called unrestricted warfare. Another translation is war without rules. There is no difference between peace time more were time and so think about that in the context of but then to go around that line and then to conquer it. In the United States we built a wonderful machine for war , space force, marines, army, navy that really protects the physical manifestation of our world from invasion when in fact and the information and politics. In other words they are trying to change the character of our society and political process. So the second cold war will be nothing like the first cold war in where america strengths align very well with the soviet union. They have been turned into vulnerabilities. In fact so they so that technology and talent and capital from free society and the essentially comprehensive battle for hearts and minds in the free world and be very successful those that believe the Chinese Communist party has a better system many diplomats in the eu and United Nations believe so as well and it is the constitution that essentially has given us a shot because in the constitution and it says rather than the leaders of the country, having dominion over the population and then to elect new leaders to what i would call it think we will see Political Warfare at a hyper scale Going Forward but its important to note here in the United States its not necessarily between the right and the left but this idea of a constitutional democracy versus more authoritarian system. In fact the more we understand that it is not a partisan divide. And how they should govern their governments. That is the center Going Forward. General spalding was instrumental to bring about an awareness of the 5g issue which of course with the technology confrontations. I like to spend a few minutes on the china threat. I like to start off talking about the china threat. It brings me back to the late 19 nineties. I was doing a story on the pla and the Defense Intelligence agency gave me a background briefing. Went to the pentagon into the secure area and they gave me a vanilla briefing on pla. At the end a kernel said the general would like to see you the defense of the Senior Intelligence agency. He said at the other end of the table and said , bill, china is not a threat. I was shocked. Why do you think that . s response was because they tell us they are not a threat. [laughter] [laughter]. After that in the early 2000 it came to be public that one of the top china analyst within the Defense Intelligence agency turned out to be a chinese spy. He was convicted of mishandling classified information. He was not convicted as a spy. The claes revealed he had close ties to two military Chinese Military attaches at the Chinese Embassy in washington and there was a compromise of some serious classified information. You could see this issue of the china threat, i title