Times. She is well known for her work knapsacks and to make weapons and all sorts of machinery for on Abraham Lincoln. In fact, her book team of rivals the war and obviously middlemen was the inspiration for steven made a way and produced spielbergs film lincoln in [inaudible] that fell apart in the rain and produced pistols that didnt 2012. Dr. Goodwin earned her ph. D. Work. You could see some of the at harvard, so coming up were worries that we might have going to reair her in depth evened today. But the interesting thing ias te secretary of war, was about to appearance where he discussed her entire body of work and took be censureed, and his whole viewer phone calls. Well also be showing you career, he felt, would be destroyed forever. Lincoln stood u fir of war and f excerpts from her books, but well tart with her january 1, ca are at fault, myself and my 1995, appearance on the cspan entire cin something totartponsd series book notes. She discussed franklin and ad question that war Eleanor Roosevelt and the home front during world war ii. Pres her book, no ordinary time, centralizedded power,re goods fd won the Pulitzer Prize for ill love to find such a her. History. Heres historian doris kearns thats fascinating. Goodwin. Cspan if you could ask either guest in the New York Times review of the book says that in team of rivals, and im Franklin Delano roosevelt or just going to read a Eleanor Roosevelt a couple of sentences, she lightly over her subjects more questions after all the work you did on this book, what would pragmatic political they be . Guest i think with eleanor, maneuverings. Why he was unable to be stay indeed, lincoln often resembles home and take cower of him to a wise and strong leader for the say question to hum. Ages whose legacy in i know he still loved him, ms. Goodwins words belongs not only to ages to be revered and sung and she still loved him. Throughout all the time. Do you think you skim over and i think for him why he guest i dont think so. I do think i came away with a couldnt share himself more very positive feeling toward fully with anyone. He was the most charming, most lincoln. I don . Think i could easily sparkling personality, everybody write about somebody like hitler or stalin as some other great got how warm he was, but historians and live with them underneath there was such reserve in him, and id want to day by day. Theres no question that he has understand why he couldnt give flaws x the flaws too come out himself more to the people who loved him. In the book, and he was much too patient with general mcclellan cspan what makes this book different than all the rest . Guest i think what i wanted to do was to understand not only earlier on, understandings franklin and eleanors of equality were not as spacious relationship which has been looked at in many other cases, as one would hope x theres no question that other things but to understand the whole just as Franklin Roosevelt are, extended family that surrounded as much as i loved, revered and them in the white house. And i came to an understanding respected him, his incarceration that these two characters really of japaneseamericans was one of both needed other people to meet the untended needs left over as the greatest violations of Civil Liberties, his failure to bring a result of their troubled moregee refugeesor marriage. The second family quarters of the white house were really like a Residential Hotel during these years, and there was about seven People Living there, that was closed it, every leaders has the part that was fun for me. Cspan if you had to ask a flaws, but in lincolns case, question of either one of them his strength are far greater about personal relationships that theyve had with other than his flaws. People, who would you be most interested in . Host overland park, kansas, guest i think the person youre next. That im interested in for good afternoon. Caller thank you for taking franklin is not simply louis my call. If you were interviing lucy i who lucy she had an president line up con on cspan lincoln on cspan, what would you ask him about his affair with him back in 1918, presidency . And it almost broke up the what about you ask him marriage, but theres another personally, and number three, woman that i think had an even what would he say about how well more central role to play, and people have have viewed his that was his secretary. Place in history these many he started working for him when decades later in view of his she was only 20 years old, he modesty . Never married, and she never guest oh, boy, great questions. I mean, i think what i would ask married, and everybody in him maybe about his presidency washington knew she was really would be to talk to him about husband other wife. What he might have done after when eleanor traveled, she was the war. I mean, the big unknown question the one who took care of of history, had he lived, would roosevelt. If he had a cold, shed bring reconstruction have been different. Him the cough medicine, if he how would h south, how would he assured were grumpy, shed arrange a that black Americans Still had the right. Everybody up wonders if lincoln poker game. She was the closest person in hadnt been killed as he was, the world to hum. Would things have been thats the relationship id like to know more about. Cspan you have in the book different. But i think personally if i had this second floor scenario, and an hour with him, i would just well get a closer shot here on say the him please tell me only some of these names. Of your great stories. I mean, lincoln was so much of a why did you put this in the storyteller, so gifted that thats part of how his rise to book . Guest it seemed to me that power took place. What the reader was going to get even as a young lawyer, he would from reading the book was, i with travel around the circuit for two months in the spring and hoped, a sense of what it was two months in the fall, and when like 50 year ago to be in the he went to courthouse to white house. And because each of these rooms courthouse, people would come was occupy by minute who was from miles around to listen to very important to frank lib and hum stand up by a tour place and Eleanor Franklin and eleanor, i wanted everybody to see how close they were, to see that and fireplace. They could Wander Around in the and once he started telling a story, his eyes would sparkle middle of the quarters and talk and his whole life force would to one another. Be shown. Cspan what year was this . I would just give anything to have him tell me one sto after guest 19401945. Cspan as you can see here on another, and what would he think about the fact that his name has on the one end, you have eleanor stretchedded so far, i think roosevelts bedroom, and right lincoln would be astonished. Across the hall is lorena as much as he wanted to be remembered after he dies and as, hickok. Who was that and what was their relationship . This is the second floor of the white house. He wanted to somehow be able to guest a former reporter for the Associated Press and, in say that he a had made a difference in the lives of the fact, in 1933 she was considered the leading female reporter in people of his generation which he surely did. But what i found, for example, the country. She weighed about 200 pounds, and was able to win end she smoked cigars, and she was really smart. And what happened is she met the book with it, lincolns life had gone so much further than eleanor during the campaign in even he could have imagined, i 1932, and she fell in love with bet he would have blushed. Eleanor. More importantly, she probably it was some years prior to 1908, helped eleanor become the activist first lady that she and this article was written in new york world, and he met with did. It was lorena who calm up with a whole bunch of rude barbarians the idea of eleanor having who hardly knew anything about the west, and thawed asked tolstoy to tell stories briefings every week. He was the one who came up with theyed asked. They said, no, you havent told the idea of a syndicated column that eleanor wrote every day, us about that man who spoke with the voice of thunder, who laughs missing only the day that her like the sunrise. Miss died, and really husband tell us of Abraham Lincoln, died. Tolstoy was a astonished that and in the course of that, he did fall in love with eleanor. Lincolns name had reached to eleanor, i dont think, fully these barbarians who hardly knew reciprocated it, but they were about america. Its is so far from here that if close enough that he wanted her living nearby, so she lived in we journeyed there, we would be the white house the entire time during the war. Old men. And then tolstoy concluded why cspan also on this second floor schematic is, you have a did they hear about lincoln . Room in which Harry Hopkins tolstoy concluded lived in. And how long did he live in humanitarian as broad as the there and who was he . World, and it was his character guest march true e hopkins that will last. And tolstoy predicted even two had been roosevelts chief new centuries from now people would deal man, in a sense. Know more about lincoln than we during the 1930s he was head know then because it would last forever. I think if lincoln heard that, of the war project. It would make him so happy, but when the war broke out in may of his modesty would say thatant 1940, hopkins was staying be true. Overnight, and roosevelt decided guest you have a sketch in that he wanted him nearby. The book of lincolns office in the white house. Where is that . He needed somebody that he could guest what happened in those talk to first thing in the morn, days is the office, it was in talk to late at night, and he the white house, the office made hopkins husband chief adviser on Foreign Policy. Expect cabinet room were the hopkins went to see churchill same unliked today. There was a big, long table and stalin before roosevelt met whe was a print simple set them, was really unprecedented. He makes kissinger look like a Pretty Simple setting. He had a a desk that i he had mildmannered guy in terms of the kind of power he had, and he and this table where theyd be was incredible loyal to arrangedded in terms of primacy, roosevelt. Cspan how long did he live in terms of which office was there . Most powerful. But the incredible thing about guest from 1940 to the end of 42 when he got married and the white house and his office in those days, a job seeker roosevelt was sad. Could race into the white house he stayed there for about six and simply go to lincoln and months with his new wife, but talk to him. She wanted a house of her own. Those were the days before civil service, and then there were cspan you show this also where sections where guest roosevelts mother. Cspan and martha. Anybody could come. Backwoodsmen would snip parts of guest thats a pretty interesting room. First, whenever the mother came, the carpet, and people on he wanted the best bedroom lincolns staff would say you cant waste talking to these swiss, and that was this suite, and that was this room, people, can and he said i need to do it. I need to remember the great the rose suite. Popular assemblage from which ive come. I think about that now in terms and then also Princess Martha of in recent decades the white was an interesting character. Held come to washington during house has become so much of a cocoon and so ips lawsuited the war years in exile from norway. Her fatherinlaw was the king partly because of the way its of nor waw. In fact, her son is currently run and i think the president s the king of norway now. Have lost touch with the people. She was beautiful, longlegged. And i think he had a gayspurted all the people that have been with them have also lost touch with with ordinary people, and kind of conversation that he lincoln understood the importance of that. He had no problem, if public just enjoyed. Eleanor somehow understood that opinion polls were out today, he he needed that kind of would listen to them. Companionship. So she would visit on weekends he would hopefully not be and keep him company at the constrained by it, e but he used movies, often again when eleanor was away. To say anything is possible, but when churchill came, no one without it nothing n. A else stayed in the suite. Democracy the peoples opinion churchill was an incredible matters. So he would try and keep touch, character during this period of time. And he did that. He understood the mood of the he would come and stay for, people just like fdr did, like, three and four weeks at a somehow its that intuitive, time, and his habits were so mystical sense that a leader exhausting that nobody else has. Host we dont have any more could sleep. Recordings that we know of in he would awaken in the morning the white house. We have emails and computers, and have wine for breakfast, scotch and soda for lunch, maybe not as many letters. How will historians look at this brandy at night, smoking his cigars until two a. M. , and when a hundred or years f now . He would finally leave, the guest i think its going to be much, much harder to entire white house staff would have to sleep for 72 hours in recapture what people were thinking and feeling. Theyll have much more stuff of order to recuperate from churchills visit. To go through which might, indeed, be paralyzing but they cspan you had a quote in the wont are have what you get in a book that the relationship between run access martha of diary letter. Norway and fdr was romantic . If youre keeping a diary, maybe expwhrg some of the people who youre sometimes thinking of lived in the white house at that history in the 1850s and time suggested that she was his 60s, but mostly youre just girlfriend, that there was a writing your raw emotions, and then youre reading them 150 real flirtation between the two. And i suspect thats what the years later x you really can element of the relationship was. Feel what they were feeling at that time. The art of letter writing no it wasnt that somebody he was longer there. Working with, it wasnt some they taught each other how to political partner, it wasnt write letters when they were some old friend and companion, young. Think of the fact that husbands it was a flirtatious and wives are away from each other so much of the time. Relationship. Whether it went beyond kissing you go on a trip to europe, and romance, i dont know. Youre gone for a year, so it certainly was that. Letters are the only forms of cspan also you show anna saw communication. Telegraph is certainly not going stayed at one of those rooms. To do it. They learned how to write letters in a way im not even next to her father. Sure we know how to write. When my son was in iraq, and i what was that relationship . Guest some of the most tried to write him as often as i moving moments of this period of time, because anna had original could, and here i am supposed to lu been her mothers daughter. Be a writer. I was finally reduced to telling when anna was a young girl, eleanor had told her or the story of lucy and the fact that her fathered had had this affair him, well, lincoln paroledded a with lucy, and anna add had soldier today. Pardoned a taken her mothers side. Over the years the two had grown soldier. My older son is himself wanting to be a writer, he wrote to his so close that they wrote with brother every single day, a each other letters two or three handwritten note every day. Times a week. And, you know, when you bring up but what happened was in the your kids and the two of them middle of the war after eleanor are fighting in the back of the car when they were young, there rejected frank lis quest to was a sense once i knew that he stay home and be husband wife and his brother had become all again, he asked their daughter that close, thats all that anna to come take missu miss mattered. Wed be gone draw by theyd have each other. Host wait til next year came citys place. Out he had a stroke and could never guest in 1997. Speak again and because he was so lonely and husband mothered and fitzgerald and the had also died, heed asked ann a kennedys that to come and stay in the guest 1987. Host and the latest, team of white house. And what happened was in some rifles. Next call is santa barbara, ways she became her fathers california. Go ahead. Daughter. Caller hi there. She had long legs, she was tall, great show. I just wanted to get goodwins she loved cocktails, she could opinion on something. Gossip at night, all the things in article v of the eleanor never found it easy e to constitution, it says that do anna did, and after a while i theres only two groups of think eleanor began to feel americans who can propose change displaced by her own daughter, so it was a very complicated set is country, and one group is of relationships that developed during this time. Cspan where do you live . [inaudible] and right now in the ninth guest concord, massachusetts. Right near where it all began. Circuit court of appeals theres a federal lawsuit called walker cspan why there . V. Members of congress, and it guest i love the city, and shows that all the applications my husband loved the country. For an Article V Convention are hed prefer living in maine, so it seemed to be near enough to registered [inaudible] and theyre failing to carry out boston that i could have my city their constitutional obligation. Life and he could feel he was and i was just wondering what living outside the suburb. You thought of that and if you think its time for an article cspan whats your husband do . Very convention. Guest you know, i dont know guest hes a writer also. What youre talking about, and im interested to hear about that. His first job after clerking for i mean, youre absolutely right though, i think the framers justice frankfurter was to decided that since investigate the constitutional amendments were [inaudible] such an important process, there so hes having a great time right now. Needed to be two possible ways hes being portrayed as a of initiating them. 27yearold actor on the big one could be the congress or one screen, so its really been fun. Could be the astronaut but mostly hes a writer. Conventions, as you say. In almost all to occasions in cspan whered you meet him . History, its been a very guest in harvard. Onerous process, but they can be i taught a course on the presidency and taught some so important. American government courses, and the most important pieces of our he came to finish a book. Government, the bill of rights and i had an office at this were amendments and even during little kennedy institute, and he had an office right next to lincolns time he did everything he could to get th