You have to operate within the compounds of the law and provide flexibility to allow the voters to get to the ballot box. So, in our situation we give people the opportunity to vote using an absentee ballot but we are one of 16 states that require a vote o voter to requen absentee ballot. We are not to vote by mail we simply send them out to everybody and i would like to talk about why i dont advocate that kind of opportunity for fraud. When somebody requests an absentee ballot you know that there is a loud person on the other end to send it to end it worked wonderfully for us. I had the best primary in the United States in fact i was asked to testify because of the house success during the primaries we implemented to then prepare for the general election. In particular, let me give you a quick example of how it can be a problem. I dont want to take this as an attack on the Postal Service because we have hard workers that have a great system in place. 96 of the time by the statistics, it is delivered on time as scheduled to the delayed address but what it means in an Election Year it is 4 of the time that it could be an issue so if you have a paper application for an absentee ballot, 4 may not arrive at the office on time. Then 4 of those may not arrive on time. You can see how this complicates or multiplies the effect of inaccuracies, opportunity for human error or opportunities for fraud to occur and purposely throwing away a ballot and that sort of thing. What weve got here, 500 absentee applications were set aside by a trainee undergoing the training process and then he left for various reasons after people were complaining we did an investigation. It wasnt nefarious. There was nothing going on but it was a complication when you use voting by mail they do enter the process and cause problems so that is enough for the introductory to what is happening and i would be glad to answer any followup questions. I just want to say the 4 figure that you are talking about, the Inspector General of the Postal Service released a report and in it they said that the standard for ontime delivery which includes absentee ballots was 76 , not 100 but 96 which means at least 4 of the ballots may not get delivered on time and i think that same report said the worst delivery times in the seven states they only achieved that 84 of the time which means Something Like 16 of the ballots might not be delivered on time. But if i could ask, if you would turn your cameras on, secretary warner talked about some potential problems in some states with inaccurate Voter Registration left and i know that the public and its Legal Foundation has done a lot of work on that issue and just recently youve released a report on that. Can you talk about that issue and some of the problems you are seeing in the states when it comes to the mailing ballot . Thank you for doing this important event each year. Its important to defend the constitution. In contrast, secretary warner was talking about the system they have working there. A great example to the contrary is nevada and one of the things we looked at very carefully is the rush to the automatic mail ballots and the primary where the data shows things did not go very well. Take clark county, 1. 3 million were automatically mailed. 230,000 roughly bounced back as undeliverable. 310,000 came back out of 1. 3 million, and 7,000 of those were rejected as having some sort of problem. Those people lost their vote and probably dont even know about it, and therefore they were disenfranchised. If they had gone in person, those votes would have counted. Now you mentioned the Research Study we did. A number of years ago pugh did a Research Study where they looked at the voter roll around the country and found millions and millions were bad. I think they said there were 2 million. We replicated that study where we got them up against commercial data and other private data thats out there to see who is alive and whos dead, who is duplicated and so forth. In nevada for example, and im focused on nevada because that is the state that rushed to vote by mail, they have thousands of people and properly registered at commercial addresses which you are not supposed to be in nevada. If you go to the website, you will see a video we did last week going to many of these addresses, visiting, knocking on the door, asking for the voter who invariably is not there because they dont live in an abandoned mine or vacant lot or Auto Repair Shop or they dont live in a casino or they dont live in a liquor store. If you go to this video, you will see when you have 30 on one hand and vote by mail automatically on the other, it equals a disaster. You cannot do it that way. That is what nevada and new jersey is doing by the way. And low and behold i want to close on one last thing that involves language. I think its important to reiterate something that i said to another audience just recently. When people care about these issues they are often called vote suppressors and my message then and now is do not be afraid of these labels because they are to try to get you on interested in the issue. I would suggest the vast majority participating care about this issue and want to see something done to protect the integrity of the elections. That doesnt make them a racist or a vote suppressor so people have to ignore the smears and not be afraid of them because we have a lot of work to do as it relates to election integrity. Now marc, i want to bring you in. As you said earlier, you were terrific and did a report into the vote harvesting. The way that has been carried on in places like texas and florida to the extent you had individuals going in and basically coercing, i think coercing and pressuring voters to vote in a particular way or actually filling out the ballot for them. Talk a little bit about some of the investigations that you all have done and particularly how it relates to this push for the mailin ballots that we see now in this election. Theres obviously been a lot of complications. Theres been a lot of stuff particularly on the outdated voter rolls and the problems the states have had in keeping them uptodate and a lot of it is building on the work that jacob has done and a lot of it is building on work done by other conservative nonprofits because this information is out there and frankly its kind of shocking. California, as we know, as of the last year or so exceeded 100 meaning they had more Voter Registration on files and people that live in the states. Thats how bad the voter files have been. And obviously the transition for all of the reasons we illustrated in the county, imagine whats going on in one county in nevada but spread that across the country and you start to see that this is a really, really big problem. Its interesting because this isnt necessarily like a nefarious thing in some ways. In the case of california, i think it is they have resisted legal attempts to cause them to comply with federal law to keep the rule clean but by and large a lot of it is the fact we dont spend a lot of money in the infrastructure in the country. Its kind of an afterthought in the states. Maybe matt warner can speak to that but we see a lot of the same problems with Voter Registration and things like that in red states and red counties and so a lot of it i think is to make people aware of the problem. Unfortunately, as again hes already pointed out a little bit this has become so politicized and these are like fundamental Good Government issues we should all agree on and yet any time you raise the specter of the problems, you immediately get smeared. I think that is a huge problem. I do think that we kind of turned a corner this year in the sense that there had been such a strong push gradually happening over time and the fact that its about all i once forced people to confront a lot of particular issues. One is theres an incredibly high rate of ballot rejections when it comes to the mailin ballot. New jersey did them all by mail and there was Something Like i think just under a 10 ballot rejection rate across the state. Thats astounding. And in one particular case in new jersey, i can say the politics and investigations were instrumental in making it a National News story that exposed the fraud in paterson new jersey where the states indicted a sitting member of the city council for the major voter fraud efforts involving all of the absentee ballots. So there are so many issues out there. I am both appalled and not surprised most of my colleagues dont seem to see these issues for what they are which is a genuine threat and not necessarily an issue that needs to be politicized in any way, shape or form and their basic matters following the law, proper civic governments and restoring peoples confidence in the process because you know, say what you want about whatever competitive advantage you might gain with some partisan cat fight over suppressing the votes, the overall confidence in the electoral system has been seriously undermined this year and i think that there are very specific reasons for that that the media are not covering and are not addressing. Go ahead, go ahead. I would like to validate and verify what i heard from both christian and marc. Beginning with christians remarks, its interesting the figures in nevada i dont want to people to think the 1. 3 million and then the 230,000 inaccuracies thats almost identical to what we have here in West Virginia, 1. 2 million registered voter and when we send out the applications for the ballot, 230,000 came back with the same figure he cited from nevada so that may be an indication across the United States. That is one sixth to one fifth of all registered voters. They may be inaccurate and im telling you ive taken 195,000 names off the roles as ive indicated now is about 200,000 im expecting to take off. Think about what would have happened here if we had a vote by mail system where you send them out to everybody, 1. 2 million would have gone out and we had 450,000 people who participated. That means there would have been more out there sitting in peoples mailboxes unused than people that participated. Think of those opportunities for the fraud and irregularity to occur. It just isnt a good idea and that is why i will never advocate for the voting in person to the vote by mail system. It is the Gold Standard and its the most secure. You have a place for the issues to be addressed. When you are sitting at home you can vote however you want. In one county we had 1,017 over votes so the house of delegates race and then somebody votes for three. Thathe happened 1,017 times. They are now invalid. The votes they thought were not counted. Thats why we want people voting in person if at all possible and weve gone to Great Lengths to get the ppe and training the poll workers to make sure that the health and safety of the voters are secure in West Virginia. Everyone will be required to wear masks when they go to vote in person but that is what im encouraging people to do is vote in person and only if you have a legitimate covid19 concern then we are making it as easy as possible for people to vote by absentee. The thing marc mentioned is the more than, more people than there were voters, more registered than voters. We still have that in two counties in West Virginia and im working as hard as i can to clean up the registration list. When i came and there were four counties after the 2018 we got it is a seven year process to get somebody removed. Im only into one term, let me get into the second and we will get the other two counties. To trust the system when you have more registered voters than you do people you cant, so thats why we and its the threat of lawsuits that really concern the clerks and thats why they came to me to run for office and run on the platform of cleaning up the Voter Registration lists. So sometimes you do have to threaten those lawsuits were actually follow through on them when you have those terrible situations where it is clear people are not following federal law that require the list maintenance and that is what my predecessor didnt do for eight years and thats why its important to have these organizations that are the watchdogs to make sure that the integrity of the elections are held. You mentioned lawsuits and i want to go to that topic with all three of you because one of the other things you said in answer to the first question, you talk about operating within the law. And within the law, states including West Virginia have put in certain safety and security protocols for absentee ballots in order to try to cut down on the opportunity for fraud and other problems. Many states for example have witnessed signature requirements, states require you to fill out an absentee ballot form that you then sign so you again have some kind of authentication. If my understanding of whats been going on across the country as thereve been all of these lawsuits filed, mostly by progressive organizations on the left side, trying to not only force everyone to vote by mail but at the same time, getting rid of and avoiding outofstate laws like that like saying you shouldnt have to apply a written signature requirement. In alabama saying the state shouldnt be able to apply its voter id requirement. So im wondering have you seen that in West Virginia, and im sure other secretaries have seen that in other states, tomac. We have, and was mentioned earlier. Ive been attacked in various newspapers and so forth with letters implementing the identification law we have a very weak identification law but at least we have it. Any number like 17 or 18, everything from a hunting license like the bill to all kinds of things you can use. Its not a photo id so it is a week voter identification call or requirement. But the people in West Virginia, we are a conservative state by nature. They want the integrity of the process. Most dont even have the idea of it, driver drivers license, wh, to show that they are who they are. So to the culture of the state some may want the kind of history that you have to have a notarization and that sort of thing. I dont question those states. I know that we in West Virginia have had a checkered past with regards to going back to the election of john kennedy and the democratic primary in 1960 that occurred right here in West Virginia and after that, Hubert Humphrey was out of the race. People were proud of that for decades and that is the legacy that i grew up under knowing that that had happened in West Virginia people were proud of it and that is the culture that im trying to change or overcome here in West Virginia, introducing and keeping the list strong and to ensure the voter identification is in place. Those sort of tactics or techniques that are needed. Talk about these lawsuits because i think that you all are anticipating some of them, filing briefs and other things and to basically avoid the security protocols that states have in place when it comes to absentee or mailin ballots. Lets reset this for a second. The groups filing these lawsuits like the part about democracy, the brennan center, the league of women voters, lets think about it for a minute. A democratically elected legislature lets say in virginia, democratically elected legislature, every one of those seats in the house and Senate Passed a law that said you have to have an absentee ballot signature if you are going to do that and they did that to protect the voter and its system. That law then went to the democratically elected governor of virginia who signed the law making it represent the will of the people. In comes the league of women voters and they decided the democratically enacted provisions of the state election law they just dont like it so what do they do they file a lawsuit in the Western District in front of George Norman kane, u. S. District court judge, the commonwealth of virginia that champion of defending the statutes capitulates and raises a white flag. I was in on one of these Conference Calls because the Foundation Filed a brief in the case. And i heard something ive never heard before. The judge asked the commonwealth of virginia do you intend to file a responsive pleading. Anybody whod gone to law school knows you always file a responsive pleading. Its gotten so bad the judge has to ask the question whether or not you even intend to file the response to pleading. So this is going on all around the country, this capitulation thats happening in North Carolina, its happening in michigan, pennsylvania. Anywhere you have radicals that occupy the Attorney Generals Office is like the attorney general of pennsylvania, North Carolina, michigan, you have these radicals in the offices that are not doing what they learned in law school which is to defend the state statutes. So, real quick, im also on the u. S. Commission on civil rights. President trump appointed me in august and we had a report to come out thats going to be drafted by speaking of radical, some of the folks at the Commission Regarding how important it is to move to the vote by mail. I voted against it. I was the deciding vote that never got released because vote by mail disenfranchises people. Thats a fact. We know it disenfranchised 7,000 people in the nevada primary and it disenfranchised people who got rejected with over votes in West Virginia. We know vote by mail has a 5 failure rate because the post office. So the best system we can have is centralized vote in person Gold Standa