[inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] if i could invite everyone to take your seats. We are right on time, so it is a great pleasure to invite my dear friend Ellie Cohanim and her fellow panelists for our second panel, enriching the u. S. Is really alliance by combating antisemitism. [applause] good afternoon, everyone. So wonderful to be here with you. And before we start i really want to just take a moment and thank the Heritage Foundation for dr. Kevin roberts and for victoria coates, who for a while has been thinking about holding this important conversation about the u. S. Israel relationship. And we were talking this weekend and she said she believes its Divine Providence because who knew how important this conversation would be at this moment in time . So again so grateful to victoria coates, to the Heritage Foundation for having us today. I want to start with introducing my esteemed panel here who im so honored to be monitoring this conversation. On the right is representative chip roy who is a devoted husband and father of two currently serving his third term in congress, representing texs 21st congressional district. So its an honor to have you with us, rapper roy. Next with ken marcus was found and chairman of the louis d. Brandeis center for human rights under law. Also a distinguished senior fellow at the center for liberty and life George Mason University law school. And formerly, im going get this right, sorry, theres just a title sirica formally use assistant secretary of education for civil rights among other tremendous accomplishments. And last with dr. Charles asher small ascher small founder president of the institute for the study of global antisemitism and policy and director of the most visited Fellowship Training Program for critical contemporary antisemitism studies at cambridge. Also a prolific author and writer. Wonderful to have you with us, gentlemen. Im going to start by just running a little bit where we are today. I think for jews all around the world right now we are in a state of shock and horror pic on october seventh, while jews in israel celebrated the holiday, hamas infiltrated the jewish communities in southern israel, massacre 1500 people, committed atrocities not seen since the holocaust. Israel says 80 of the 1500 murdered that dave were tortured first. Hamas kidnapped young women, toddlers, babies, elderly, and he seems to have unleashed the forces of hate across the world that day. Congressman roy, i want to ask you, would you think the american response should be at this unprecedented moment . Dcfs semitism as an element of what took place on october 7 . And also could you, i know this is what, if you could comment on the call for ceasefire and the notions of proportional war. Well, first of all its great to behavior thanks to victoria. Thanks our leadership on this issue. Kevin roberts got Heritage Foundation generally. Such an extraordinary, extraordinarily important issue. And its no accident that of i dont know the exact number, 16. X million jews around the world, that 80, whatever percent of those english live in the United States or israel. Equal numbers roughly between israel and the United States. And the rest scattered around the globe. With a few in europe and then scattered around. That is because of our strong connection and relationship with israel. Importantly, it is a connection of faith, i connection of people, a connection to politically, in terms of pressure vessel security and its unmistakable. And its remained unmistakable. So youre asking what the response should be and the response should be overwhelming force to send not just a message but to win. People want to monday morning quarterback and secondguess. I saw some musicales and you talk about what would we been doing on 24 hour news looking at every bomb dropped in germany or every bomb dropped in japan, or anywhere that weve ever fought . Wars are costly. Wars are messy. Wars kill people. Thats lost on no one in terms of humanity. But there is a cost to allowing terrorists, leadership of your country. Theres a cost to it. And thats what were seeing in gaza. And israel cannot back off and america cannot backoff in its support of israel. Period. [applause] you asked about this ceasefire. Ive heard the administration talked about the need for ceasefire to get 100 million plus whatever of eight antiamerican eight. Now again, there are human beings who are in the crossfire. Lets remember call , letsh the human beings who were the targets, predominantly jewish israeli citizens, some americs who were the targets of the terrorists barbaric actions of hamas. Thats where this started. And it is up to israel and the United States supporting israel to finish it. And we have to remain vigilant in that endeavor. There is to our history there is of course the proper place for dealing with the military need, the red cross and dealing with the clear interest of humanitarian relief. But under no circumstances can we allow that to be a bruise for getting gas and getting fuel and getting supplies to our enemies. Thats what weve got to make sure were standing vigilant against and not blink in the face of pressure when we need to do what we need to do to ensure that israel can win this, which is of course is a a win for america. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Ken im going to come to you now. Not only did we see these horrific crimes, atrocities committed against the jewish people, but before israel had even responded we saw students across College Campuses come out and out in protest and rally in support of hamas. Tell us a little bit about your assessment whats going on in our College Campuses. Theres something called the marcus doctrine that is attributed to you, if you chose also what mark is a doctrine is and how it ties into what were seeing today. Thank you and thank you to the Heritage Foundation. I have been fighting Campus Antisemitism for some 20 years. It gets worse and worse but never anything like the last couple of weeks. It has been surging over the last couple of years but it really has, it is been something unlike anything we saw before. Think about whats happening now. What we just saw and as ally described was mass torture, murder, rape of civilians, burning people alive, decapitation. The Immediate Response from College Campuses in many places was to support the terrorists. In one case a professor talk about being exhilarated. In many cases student groups arguing that we should join the resistance, meaning the genocidal attack on jewish people. This goes beyond the hostile environments that weve seen over recent years. What we are experiencing now is a mass coming down. Once we see it, we cant unsee see it. For University President s and the public, we now have to face the fact that on our College Campuses something monstrous is developing. We have very substantial movements of prohamas, proterrorists, progenocidal groups at some of the most important universities in the United States. Right now their University President s arguing about whether they should or should not issue a statement. Those president who either dont issue a statement or want a both sides statement are utterly incapable of understanding the moral issues. But even those who do issue a a statement and even a statement with moral clarity, its just a statement. If you are the president of the university today, you are now aware that for all the millions you put into dei, you have created the opposite of dei. For all that your admissions that admission to denigrate the student body that reflects the as you pretend to all, youve come to a student is in favor of murder. For all that you say that your curriculum should do more than just provide information or critical thinking, you have curricula that is training proterrorist people. Its beyond statements. We are at a time that if you are at a University President and you have not thought about cleaning house, you shouldnt be there. Its not about do you issue a statement . It is about to you realize youre running an institution that is fundamentally and totally wrongheaded in its approach, and that is in this country in the wrong direction. Even a good statement isnt enough. You asked about what i call the 2006 policy and what other people call the market policy or marcus doctrine enters perhaps an obvious reason what i call it Something Different than the others. Thats the notion that title vi of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which prohibit certain forms of race, color, dissemination of Public Schools and colleges and universities but that doesnt mention religion. Nevertheless, protects jews and certain of the groups that have ethnic backgrounds as well as religious ones based on the notion that a group which is ethnic or ancestral characteristics shouldnt lose the protections that they would have if they did not have a shared common faith. The Biden Administration to its credit has just expanded the use of the marcus doctrine to include that only the Education Department through Civil Rights Agency i headed and the department of justice also ate other agencies. So there are now ten cabinet level agencies. I am pleased with this pick this is something thats taken some 20 years to establish a once we have this notion that theyre going to deal with antisemitism, are they going to do with antisemitism . Because a site are not great. Assigned route are not great. Okay so now they know they have to do something. Lets see them do it. Bravo to that. We would all like to see them do it. Charles, im going to come to you, but go back to hamas if i may. Could you brake out for us a little bit about the ideology that is inspiring this war on jews and on israel . We hear a lot about this is about land and despite the fact that israel unilaterally withdrew from gaza back in 2005. So first of all im honored to be here so thank you for inviting me. I want to first start by saying Professor Research center that i had, always taught that antisemitism begins with the jews but it never ends with jews. This is not a parochial problem for the jewish people or for the state of israel. This is a problem for all good and decent people around the world and i think especially in this country. So once this form of antisemitism or hatred is unleashed it knows no boundaries. It attacks starts with the jews but doesnt end with the jews. It affects everything that is good and decent in our society including institutions and our values. What we are to witness in this country, in this country, in 2023 is unadulterated antisemitism. The fact that students at our best universities and professors at our best universities are turning out our leaders cut universities of the most Important Institution in our society, this is where young people go to learn how to become citizens, that are journalists, are industry leaders, our professors, are learning that killing innocent people is a form of decolonization and resistance. This is not just on the campus led by students for justice in palestine, which is an offshoot of the Muslim Student association which is a Muslim Brotherhood organization, those are the shock troops on hundreds of campuses in this country. But this is happening in the classroom and not just in middle east studies but in philosophy, in theology, in the social sciences and humanities. And now spreading into the schools that are professional schools. This ideology in our universities comes about after decades, decades of billions upon billions of dollars being pumped into our finest institution. This is a research were doing. Billions of dollars. Some of it coming illegally and some of it coming illegally. Oxford university where i studied, joseph started islamic studies. Joseph was head of the motion brotherhood who preached that the true believers need to complete the work of hitler. This is the gentleman that became the first director of islamic studies at Oxford University to , the head of te Muslim Brotherhood. But the infiltration of this ideology at our finest universities come with the president s of university come within City Government offices knowingly taking money from people who preach the killing of jews the destruction of israel. But they forget to look deeper that this ideology is also close to democracy and weakening democratic country and including the United States of america. So very briefly hamas has an ideology that comes out of the Muslim Brotherhood. The brotherhood started about 100 years ago as a reaction to british colonialism and is the root of political islam. Hamas, hezbollah, fiorini revolutionary regime, daesh, isis, they all come from this route. They fuse the very narrow understanding of islam. Im not speaking about islam, speaking about muslims. The vast majority of muslims are good and decent people around the world but political islam uses european antisemitism, genocidal hatred of the jew with this narrow form of islam, and they fuse of this and they are influenced by the nazi party and european fascism and antisemitism, and they want to read the region of all foreigners. They call for not only the destruction of the state of israel, they call for the murder of jewish people around the world. This is in their charter. This is not the extreme wing of hamas or the militant wing of hamas. This is in their constitution and it comes under the brotherhood. Your main revolutionary regime, qatar qatar is a paymaster of hamas. Qatar is one of the most important military basis of our country in their country. Why is this country not demanding from qatar the extradition of people who ordered the massacre of innocent people . When the washington stand up and make demands from our allies who are harboring people who committed this . Qatar celebrated, celebrated october 7 with iran and hamas. So we have very important domestic questions and international questions, and the rot is in our country. The rot is intermediate and in our best academic institutions. Thank you for that. Congressman roy, you have worked to counter that rot. You have introduced legislation that United Nations release under canada and transparency act. If you tell us about that and what inspired you to bring that legislation forward. And who else you would like to see held accountable as we do face this type, this overwhelming tide of jew hatred. Well look, a longstanding history of effectively supporting palestinians and antiisraeli policies, and that funding going through u. N. Needs to stop. I mean going to the party here, if i had to say what they, i introduce legislation and happy to press for it. Weve introduced other bills to defund the United NationsHuman Rights Council which is an absurd entity on its face. But yet we keep doing it. You can walk out of this room with one thing from elyse muppets patient is why in hell do we find the very things destroy our country and undermining our freedom at her own National Security . But we find it all day long everyday. If you want to know what is at the center of this fight over the speaker of the house, yes, we need a speaker ask yes, i hope we get it done this week, but not at the expense of changing this town. This town has got to change. We have for my tie like i am 51 years old, my entire life weve been funding the very things we campaigned against. We campaigned against them but we find them. We find the United Nations. We found under it. We fund the Human Rights Council. We find all of these entities direct funding to the palestinians which goes directly to hamas. We have been doing that. Why on earth would we do that . And thats at the center of our debate right now about what were doing in this town and whether not we should continue doing the same thing weve been doing. And expect a different result. I would say that this is all directly connected by the way to the funding of higher education. Everything ken, just talked about respect what great honor universities is 100 correct but to go back to my point. You are funding it. With your tax dollars an hour borrowed dollars you are funding it. Hundreds on hundreds of billions of dollars over the years going to be socalled elite institutions of higher ed cowboys and the might of her kids to hate america, to hate western values and principles, to frankly run into not actually learn skills to be meaningful participants in society but rather sit around on twitter and social media in your parents basement harassing americans are actually adding value. You are funding that. Dad ask yourselves why. Its a fundamental question that i went to the university of virginia and you know, jeffersonian tradition blob law, you know . But its an embarrassment of an institution. Im going to say it right now. The university of virginia is an embarrassment of an institution. Students for justice in palestine release a statement at uva in support of the palestinian liberation calling the brutal attack on initial quote, a step towards a free palestine. A professor at uva offered extra credit for student who attended a discussion about how to quote stand in solidarity with palestinians resisting occupation. And hes a professor at a taxpayerfunded university in virginia founded by Thomas Jefferson dating extra credit from professor to the students. I could go on and on about some of the step at uva distribute an articl