Transcripts For CSPAN3 Reporting From Conflict Zones 2024062

CSPAN3 Reporting From Conflict Zones June 22, 2024

At here is the past of investigative reporting. Well, thank you. Things, despite the makeup of the panel, i think things are changing in the newsrooms, there are a lot of women, africanamericans, hispanics and asians all taking posts of responsibility in all these groups so while we have been behind and not as aggressive as we should have been and be more diverse in our organizations thats very much a top line question. In terms of the topics tackled its a fair point that the people who are in the decisionmaking positions are perhaps not in touch as they should be with some of these other questions, like inequality and race but i think that by and large the main organizations are at least making efforts to address that. Look, its an absolutely excellent point, diversity is important not just for the sake of diversity, because it does give other perspectives on whats the story, and you know, this doesnt speak directly to the issue of women or africanamericans or minorities, but how you view something is very much, you know, you view something a little bit differently, and suddenly what you sort of might not think of as story can become an incredible story. Ala ferguson, i remember covering the Boston Marathon bombing at the time and at the time it was a terror story and everybody was focused on, you know, who did this and were there terrorist links abroad and whole community, a whole major American Cities terrorized and i remember watching the day that they identified the tsarnaev brothers and they were searching for the one who is now on trial, and seeing the, all the humvees and National Guard and troops coming in heavily armed, and it was amazing. It was like being in a war zone, and at the time, i wasnt thinking about the militarization of our Police Departments and what kind of environment that was creating. I was covering a terrorism story but in retrospect, there it was, the same story that got a lot of people alarmed during ferguson when we saw the militarization of police was fully on display in boston, but thats not what people were talking about at the time. So i just use that as an example of how you look at something and you look at something slightly differently, and then your eyes open and you see a really major story, and thats something that diversity can contribute to, but its also sort of onus on us to sort of take a look, take a step back and look at what were seeing in a little different way and you suddenly see theres lots of other things to report. Lou lombordo. Care for crash victims. Thank you for you people, all the good work that youve done. But id just like to ask for a little more elaboration on the question of how you prioritize your work. Do you have anything that sort of says were looking for the greatest good for the greatest number or anything like that . Thats a really good question also. I think part of the issue is that sort of hard to figure out what the priorities should be on a daytoday basis. I come into the office every monday and make a list of the five stories that i want to do in that year. And a few days later a little bit of a different list and a few days later a different list. What i try to do going back to another question we had, try to look for stories i can do on the short term to stay relevant in the news but then to try to pick the four or five stories whether theyre sexy or not to try to do in that year, so that while you get distracted by all the noise thats out there and everything on twitter and everything on cable news, you try to keep your eye on the ball on good stories you can do on a monthly or quarterly basis, i think every good reporter has to do that these days. Few people are getting a year to run stories. You compartmentalize yourself. Shorter stories to keep you in the news, while staying focused on longer stories. Otherwise youre constantly writing 300word stories. I think its just, theres some stories that affect millions of people are better for us than stories that affect hundreds of people, stories that have visual elements for abc are more interesting for stories that have none and stories we havent heard of more are more interesting than those weve done before, those are like three threshold questions that i would ask and my producers would ask and our bosses would ask. Just, you know, how many people are affected, how do we tell the story, what did we see and has somebody else done this before becomes a factor. Larry . Mike . Anything . Well, this has been phenomenal. Brody mullens, larry roberts, ikele isakoff, brian ross, on behalf of cfa, thank you very much for spending time with us. [ applause ] today cspan3 eye highlights the work of journalists. Coming up a discussion with journal is held hostage and their families. The New York Times photojournalist Robert Nichols shares some of his photographs from the 25 years he spent in afghanistan and his firsthand exposure to the rise of militant groups in the region including al qaeda. After that, investigative journalism, the digital age, and consumer privacy. Legal experts discuss the law and rapidly changing technology challenges. Challenges. The cspan cities tour visited Historic Sites across the country to hear from local historians, authors and Civic Leaders every weekend on book tv and American History tv on cspan 3. This month with congress on the summer reves, find the cities tour on cspan every day at 6 00 eastern. Today the live of lincoln, nebraska. Including the biography of chief Standing Bear and a book about the removal of native American Children from their homes. That starts at 6 00 eastern on cspan. Tonight on cspan, the Security Threat posed by isis, the recruiting efforts and use of social media. Here is john carlin. What the terrorist group will do is take seek to they seek to put their message out on platforms accesseds by the largest populations. So hundreds of thousands of people are accessing the website. And they bombard it every day with the propaganda. And the messages run across the board. So were all familiar with the shocking images and despicable of what theyll show of public executions but what they also bombarding that same audience with targeted microtargeted messages the same way that advertisers do. Theyll show an islamic actor and in one video hes handing out candy to children and in the corn is isil, like it is for some other Television Show or brand. In another video theyll showed the armed terrorist or shoulder with a gun in one hand and the other hand he is holding a kitten. In other messages, handing out candy to children, theyll show images of bucolic life here in the caliphate. And so what they look to see whether or not they can, with this largescale bombardment of images, can they get someone on the hook and then start to dangle them in. The Aspen Security Forum featured panels on intelligence, threats to europe and special operations. Watch the program in the entirety starting at 8 00 p. M. Eastern time. Freelance journalist david foley was beheaded in sear last aug. Becoming the First American killed by isis. In late february his parents talked about her efforts to save their son and the frustrations with the federal government. Also former a. P. Correspondent Terry Anderson who was held hostage in lebanon for seven years. They are a panel of discussions hosted by the university of arizona. Journalism has changed enormously over the last two decades. Information that once moved at the speed of the Printing Press now moves at the speed of light. And smartphones and Global Internet have put the whole world into the palm of our hand. Yet that relentless stream of news and data has not really made our world more comprehensible. Speed and technology are one thing, context, Something Else altogether. For my and my colleagues in the school of journalism, serious journalism and real jurnism, the journalism we share with our students begins with a simple idea. It is about being there. Not just to get the story, but to help illuminate places. It is often about reporters crossing frontiers in the hope they can bring light to the stories of the people who live in the worlds darker places. Yet these days this kind of journalism comes at a terrible price and it is that blunt reality that brings us together tonight. John and diane foley and terry aerpd can attest first hand to the brutal truth. Were grateful to them and my colleague david mccraw for joining us to share the experiences and thoughts about this hard, new world. Today journalists are seen as targets. Not only by terrorist organizations and narcotics cartels, but repressive governments. Since the early 1990s more than 1100 journalists have been killed and many more kidnapped or detained or driven into exile. It includes local reporters who lived and worked in the troubled places, it includes a growing number of freelancers and americans and other westerners enlisted to cover faraway conflict zones. The center for border and global journalism was launched last fall to bring greater focus to the challenges facing journalists as they engage in a more perilous world. Working with academy departments and with the Journal School faculty along the border with mexico but in the middle east and afghanistan, we hope to explore programs an initiatives to preverve and extend the free and independent global reporting that is essential to a democratic society. What can we all do as professionals, educators, advocates, to support the journalists who are out there now. How can we train and equip them and keep them as safe as possible. Leading this discussion tonight is my colleague mort rosenblum, a member of the faculty in the Journalism School and with me, codirector of the center. Mort is a former Foreign Correspondent for at Associated Press and was in asia, africa, south america and europe. He is an author and has filed stories out of 200 different countries, a number of which, mort loves to point out, no longer exist. As mort knows as well as anyone, the essential qualities of a good correspondent have not changed much over time. Now, as then, it is about curiosity, intelligence and importantly it is about empathy but more than ever these days it is about courage. The numbers are shocking. But tell only part of the story. Behind the statistics, are rights who dont know what might happen next, and families who can only hope and pray for Something Better than the worst. In some regions the death toll for journal ichts arises with the outbreak of war. As happened in Southeast Asia in the 1960s and 70s. In other places such as a nearby border, the danger is ever present. Since 1992, 32 journalists have been killed in mexico. Until the 1980s, most were casualties of war. Journalists were seen as observers and not part of it and seldom targeted. Then in 1985 Terry Anderson, the Associated Press bureau chief in bay rut, was muscled into a green mercedes. Seven years passed before he could meet seoula may, the daughter born while he was chained to a wall. His captures were on the fringe of the hezbollah. One tomorrow him, as if it were some comfort, dont worry, this is political. When anderson asked, his guard gave him a new red bible. Executives worked with u. S. Officials to get him released. The situation changed after 9 11. Journalists were targeted for what they wrote and represented. Daniel pearl was executed as he pursued al qaeda activity in pakistan. In the years since the number of journalists who have been victims has increased as an alarming rate. The threat can be seen clearly in france near the normandy beaches. In a treeshaded park at the monument to reporters, 28 columns have been engraved since world war ii with more than 2,000 names. Men and women fallen on battlefields or assassinated or killed in accidents while covering the news. Since 2001, many of the names have been those of georgetownalists, others who are freelancers who cover the news in the most dangerous areas within the continuing support of a large news organization. Now with so many freelancers in the field, people such as New York Times attorney david mccraw are working to confront the challenges facing journal ichts and families in this sichz. This year a fresh monument symbolizes the spirit and courage of freelance journalists but the families and friends who support them. James foley survived imprisonment in libya and ventured into syria to make conflict reshaping the world. He was executed on camera. Foleys message about the importance of news was clear. The reporter must be there to tell the story. His parents now work tirelessly to make sure that an easily distracted world hears this message. His death is no reason to turn away from the danger. On the contrary. In america, and every other nation, people must support journalists who choose to go into dangerous places on the publics behalf. Thank you all for coming. And thank you all for coming. We have some Serious Business to discuss this evening. In fact, what could be more important than our eyes and our ears in the most perilous places of an overheating planet. Just briefly some background before we start. About two seconds after i met diane and john foley and the annual war Correspondent Award in france, i knew this evening had to happen. People seldom get so warm and wonderful as youll see in a moment. But their courage and strength are beyond any words i can come up with. Among those white columns you just saw, we mourned also camilla path, a young french reporter killed on a border. In the Central African republic, diane put aside her grief to help a distraught mother. Foleys message is wise and unwaivering. We need those brave, prepared journalists out there in the ugliest parts of the world. To reflect realities that we all understand. And we have to realize what too many learn the hard way. The price is high. For them and for the families at home that support them. The foleys have started a foundation and well talk about that tonight on the homefront. And it brought to mind my old friend Terry Anderson who for seven years like so many others wore an aluminum bracelet with his name on it awaiting his release. When he emerged from the lions den, a wee slip of a terry. None of us could believe his strength of spirit. Today he teaches what the foleys tell us, reporters must be out there. And even today for terry it is still up close and intensely personal. Seoula may, the cute little kid who we just saw welcoming home her father is now a reporter covering stories in lebanon and beyond. I asked terry last night if he was worried about her. Dah. Happily enough some gifted people work to help journalists in trouble. A stall wart is david mccraw. The New York Times i have on my script, the New York Times fifth amendment lawyer and bill schmidt glanced at it and said, i showed it to david who said well in arizona maybe the Second Amendment lawyer. But it is the first. And i underscore the first amendment, who is also here with us this evening. Were extremely grateful to have this panel. Im actually the foleys are here because john got tired of shoveling snow in New Hampshire but what the hell. Terry teaches at the university of florida and his gators aint freezing so. And david accepted bill schmidts invitation without a second hesitation and thank you again for coming. When i left tucson from here, actually this school, in the 1960 toss get mixed up in faraway mayhem, you had to be unlucky or unaware to get into serious trouble. My first post was the congo covering a mercenary war with drug crazed wars with machetes who believe they turned bullets to water. But we knew who they were and stayed out of the way. And in vietnam before the government prevented the access and increased the danger, we could go anywhere we were dumb enough to go. In asia, latin america, we journalists are observers, not part of the stories. Someone put it garnish on the side of the plate. Pretty much across the board, combatants left us alone so we could tell their side. Well today all of that has changed. We are no longer a definable press corp with correspondent who know one another and bosses back home watching our backs. Freelance independence and reporters hired at low wages operate on their own. Freelance means no wages. It means you get what you sell. Governments arrest them. Militias and terrorist groups hold them hostage. Gangs with no political purpose kidnap them for ransom. That is our topic for tonight. What now . And keep in mind, because people tend to forget this, were talking about journalists. If we, as journalists ask our government to protect us, were asking them to control us. It is a pretty serious conundrum because that is not what we are. We are not there as representatives of any governments or anybodys anything. At the same time, u. S. Citizens elect higher and hire and pay a government to do their business. And one Job Description is helping americans stay alive. Were not a policy pond for any administration. So let me start with terry. Terry, if you can just give us a brief rundown of how the u. S. Government first worked with hostage families back in the early 80s and then in your case, through the Associated Press, then what changed and how do you see it evolving . The American Government used to look at hostagetaking as a criminal enterprise. And just as you do in crimes that involve hostages, what is the first thing you do. You bring in a negotiator. That doesnt mean you will give them anything or that you will reward them for what they are doing, but you have to talk. By the mid 80s, by 1985, when i was taken, the government was the reagan administration, they were insis

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