Within our caucus and i do think its time to pass the torch to a new generation of leaders. And i want to be a part of that transition. I want to see that happen. You know, i think that we have too many really great members here that, you know, dont always get the opportunities that they should. And, you know, i would like to see that change. Would nancy pelosi win a caucus leadership fight right now if she were challenged . I dont know. I mean, i dont know. There are a lot of members in our caucus and again, everybody has their opinion. I just dont know what the answer to that is. By saying its time for a generational change, what youre suggesting is win or lose after next year, its time for her to g . I dont want to single her out. I think that well, steny hoyer, tim clybu clyburn, all three of them . I think its time to pass the torch a new generation. Theyre all of the same generation, and again, their contributions to the congress and to the caucus are substantial. 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It also included interviews with Senate IntelligenceCommittee Vice chair mark warner and retired general and former cia director David Petraeus. Good morning. Good morning. Great to be with you senator. I know were going to get into this russia stuff and high crimes and executions ahead and those kinds of things, but i know you tear richest man in the United States senate. Ah. So does the trump tax plan help you or hurt you . I think the trump tax plan probably helps me more than it needs to, and im missing that part where nobody on the high end was going to benefit and this was going to benefit middleclass folks. So thats fake news. That would be that would not fall into the fact checkable news. Great. Lets get down to the serious things youve been investigating. Some of the platforms that many in the audience and even myself love, facebook, twitter, using Search Engines like google, are all now wrapped up into your committee, intelligence committee, coming in. Do you feel that these platforms are undermining our democracy . First of all, i know this feels like tights story that never ends, but lets look at what we do know, what 99. 9 of everyone in washington believes, democrat or republican, with the exception of maybe one individual at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. One, we know that russia, using its services, massively intervened in our election by hacking into both Political Parties and releasing information that helped one candida candidate, mr. Trump, at the detriment to hillary clinton. Factually, Everybody Knows, Intel Community knows, needs more investigation, but thats pretty certain. Second thing we know, russia intervened and attacked, didnt fully break into voter files but literal ly attacked 21 states e lk to reca electoral systems. One of the great frustrations i of had since springtime was the department of Homeland Security would not tell the top Election Officials in those 21 states who were attacked. Lets pause there for a minute. I watched last night that hearing where you raised that hearing, you had a representative, a woman from dhs that you were hammering on this months and months ago, and you were pretty ferocious. It had taken all this time for dhs to do this, and i have sources that tell me that now chief of staff john kelly then secretary of Homeland Security, wasnt pleased with you. We had a frank and candid exchange. It just seemed to me almost kafkaesque that dhs would say we cant tell the states because the states secretaries of state or other top election official didnt have enough clearance level to be told. Now, that made no sense. Now, come last friday is that what john kelly told you . That was what was relayed to us. They did reveal to these 21 states, but this is part of the challenge that the fact that the president doesnt acknowledge this problem, so we have no government approach on how we preclude from happening next election cycle. I know in my state we have elections this year. Our state lex board actually took out one of the machines and decertified it because we were concerned about the ability of russians and or others to hack into it. Hacking into the machine itself. Hacking into the ability there was a conference in las vegas a number of months back where they brought in a lot of Voting Machines and showed how quickly hackers could actually penetrate the machines. We have no evidence that they penetrated in 2016. But they were in effect rattling the door and we need to be careful going forward. Third thing we know is we of seen and again, you know, i of been a my background is in the technology field, but the social Media Companies, facebook, twitter, were asking google as well, at first were very dismissive of the fact that their platforms were used both as vehicles for paid advertising but also as places where russians were able to create fake accounts and those fake accounts could like certain groups, like certain stories, and that would drive those stories higher on your news feeds. And that would mean their propaganda, misinformation, disinformation, sowing chaos, i think they had a pretty dramatic e fact. Again, we can get to the social media platforms in a moment, but heres what i worry about at times. If you take if russias goal, you know, was primarily to sow chaos, to show how our systems sometimes dont function, you know, and then secondarily help e mr. Trump, they had a pretty good rate of return. If you add up what russia spent in american elections fshg you add up what they spent in the french election, where facebook has acknowledged they took down 50,000 accounts fshg you add up what they spent in the dutch elections when the dutch hand counted the ballots, and double that, youre still talking about less than half the cost of one new f35. So from a macro standpoint, i think what we may have seen is the first, you know, not shots fired but the first tools of 21st century disinformation. And i worry as a big advocate for the military that we may have in america the best 20th century military that money can buy, but were increase lig in a world where cyber vulnerability, misinformation, and disinformation may be the tools of conflict. How forth coming are the platforms right now . Facebook denied having had any russian ads bought, and then overnight were learning more and more about more accounts, now we see the news today about twitter. Youve laid out that the milliondollar question is who knew, how did they know where to deploy these ads. But there was a period of time nothing had come forward. Does facebook have a lot of ruble accounts . Well, lets put it like this. I think facebook in many ways knows more about each of us than United States government. And the notion that somehow they werent aware of what was happening on their platforms strains my credibility. And they did say initially you think they were lying. Im not saying that. I want to see the materials. They cam in originally, they showed the staff, they took the materials back, not a good thing to do to a senate committee, and now theyre coming forward. They promised us the information this week. We want to get it out to the public because at the end of the day americans should have the right to know at least a couple things. One, if youre reading a political ad on facebook or any of the platforms, you ought to know the source of that ad, whether its foreign based or not. Secondly, if a story is being driven to the top of your news feed because thousands of individuals have liked it, we ought to know whether those individuals who are liking it are actually individuals who are represented. In many cases, they say its Steve Clemens from washington, d. C. , when it might have actually been, you know, igor pushkin from moscow, and what facebook has said is theyve identified one of the troll farms in st. Petersburg and they havent identified the rest. One of the reasons why i dont believe that they of actually done a thorough examination is the only accounts they identified were those ads that are paid for in rubles. Now, come on, guys. I think the Russian Services know how to like maybe use dollars, euros. So weve got a lot more questions. My hope is i talk with Mark Zuckerberg last week. I of nonhim a long time. Hes obviously built an extraordinary iconic company, but i think that company that more than half of americans look to every day is based upon a level of trust. And i think they need to be extremely forthcoming as well as twitter was in today and well ask google to testify as well, that they need to come forward. This is important in terms of americas confidence and the information we receive. So much of this story is behind is veiled, classified. You mentioned the 21 states, that some of those states, wisconsin and others, are just now telling their citizens that they had been penetrated one way or another by the russians because they had been informed formalry by the department of Homeland Security. You were on this months ago. What is the gap between what we all know publicly and what you know because you get classified information, what intel agencies know . This seems to me to be right at the core of democracy. Id love to tell you but but, i mean, is it is it a big gap, a little gap . We seem to be so behind. Like this story keeps going on drip, drip, drip. I have been amazed that theres not a week that goes by that a new name or a new threat doesnt appear. And remember, we have and i want to give a lot of compliments to my chairman, richard burr, you know, we both have got challenges here. You know, theres democrats who think everybodys grlt day one. Theres republican who is want this to just go away. Our job is to get the truth out. Our job is, yes, to figure out whether there was collaboration or collusion, but equally if not more important how we prevent this from happening going forward. And the fact that the white house everybody in the Intel Community, again, most of the president s appointees have all acknowledged this, but the fact that theres no single point of contact in the white house that says, hey, may job is to make sure that our e lectoral system, our information, we were protected from russia this time, other foreign entities next time, in a way that has a whole of gft approach is a real challenge. It means its more incumbent upon us at the end of the day we get the truth out. I want to move to some other topics in the remaining we have. But i want to ask you about what you see as high crimes. We now see ive seen your comments about we of seen evidence of collusion, intent to collude. So of these things that we keep reading about, you know, the Jared Kushner meeting with bankers, the russian meeting in june, the creation of a document on air force one that was done for eric trump jr. , all these things that come out you cant make some of this stuff up. Which of these constitute high crimes . I have not reached any conclusion. My job is not to reach that conclusion until we get to which way are you tilting . Towards the truth. I think there are a series of interactions, you know, for example, michael cohen, who wanted to try to pull a fast one on the committee, well have him come back. Hes been identified with trump tower moscow, a series of other dealings with russia. I think its important for the public to hear from him. Were going the want to bring in donald trump jr. But we want to hear from all the other people in the room first so we know the right questions to ask. So there are those kind of questions about was there shared information. Clearly the russians were trying to offer, you know, information that was hurtful to hillary clinton. You know, did the trump people accept it or not, we dont know the answer to that. The other piece that i think is one of them, the big unanswered questions, and i really hope the social Media Companies will be very forthcoming, the trump social media operation was much, much better than democrats real rhe realized. And we of soon lots of use of facebook, seen some level it appears of coordination with some of the altright groups. The question i have is i know the russians have the tech nnic ability to plant fake news, create fake accountses, but their level it appears of geotarget on a demographic basis in certain key areas where frankly the kem democrats were asloop at the switch, how do they figure that out to that level . Theres been some evidence the Trump Campaign put a lot of their databases in effect out in some of their targ efforts out for public and then people who wanted to, you know, not directly work with could use that information. But i still think one of the milliondollar questions is this was a level of sophistication that i think was unprecedented, and we have to figure ot what happened. Have you read josh greens book on steve bannon . No. Might be interesting. Might be interesting. Hes on a lit boiflt a high this week. Let me just shift gears for a minute. I interviewed senator chris coons yesterday and we were talking about health care. I asked him in terms of bipartisan, constructive, working together, how many United States senators did you think would be open to the notion of a vehicle that came on this, solves a lot of problems of the Affordable Care act that came in, and chris said 50, which isppointing number. Im interested in just you and richard burr have a deep relationship and a good effective relationship. Does that go on is there a chance that were going to be able to tilt from this period of extremism in both parties being unable to kind of work yes. The truth is there is a lot more interpersonal working relationships in the senate than you guys in the press represent. Do you guys hide them from us . No, we dont there are plenty of secret spot where is we have a glass of wine and share ideas. And i think health care give me a cuall. There was a path, and i think patty murray and lamar alexander, theres way we can do some shortterm market stabilization as well as taking on some of the options, a reinsurance pool, ive been open far long time the idea of cheaping plans to get younger people in. I call them copper plans. Theres a lot of common agreement. And we just need the runway to play that out, and i think youll see that happen in health care. I worry and i ve spent year as former business guy, some of the audience may recall i was part of the socalled gang of six. I think its weird i work in place thats the only place in america being in a gng is a good thing. Macroeconomic trends. I think i could add some value to a tax reform debate, but if the operating premise is that the republicans are going to try to do this with their team only and get 50 or 51 out of 52 votes i think that would be harder for tax reform than to get 65 or 70 out of 100. I hope they learn as the democrats should have learned before, if you try to do major policy with one party only youre never going to get it to the point where the American People accept that policy as being in effect vetted by both teams. You had written, senator, about your worry that our insensitives in the economy are designed the wrong way, that the average worker is screwed in the Current Situation because were seeing less and less investment in the economy, less an less longterm orientation. What are the two or three things you think need to be done to change the course of the economy so its more in a healthy way, more sustainable than it is today . In 1 43 dpif you a whole new economic theory. Heres my feeling. I did extraordinary well and very blessed to d well by our Free Enterprise system. I worry that modern american capitalism is not working for enough people. I believe that that is driven by the fact that longterm Value Creation is too often trumped by shorttermism. And let me cite three examples that i think that dont fall neatly into democrat and republican. The whole notion of traditional social contract around work has changed. People no longer work like my dad did for the same company for 38 years. A third of the workforce in America Today is in some form of contingent work, parttime, temp, independent cont