You can hear that smnippet, someone whos not informed it may seem long kaj logic logical. Ive been watching this from the beginning. Thank god i have a little time to stay tuned and see whats coming out of everybodys mouths firsthand. When i watch how that changes and transforms throughout the day through the different outlets, whether cnn, msnbc, fox, doesnt even matter, its theres no real way for anyone to gauge whats going on unless they watch. So with the schedule the democrats have put forth and the speed at which theyre plowing through it, therein lies the problem. It is going to fast no human could probably really ever keep up with it. So its just sad to me as, like i said, a 20year veteran of business ownership. Its not been easy. I work seven days a week. I work constantly to be able to almost take off a day. And just tune into the media to see whats going on. All right. I got to go to our democrats line. Phoenix city, alabama. This is donna. Caller yes. Its just a downright shame to think President Trump could get away with obstructing justice after the overwhelming evidence that has stacked against him. Even he, himself, has condemned himself nationally. Its painful, hurtful, and sickening to watch the republicans not have a conscience or have guts enough to just simply do whats right, which is impeach President Trump. Rochester, new york, on our others line. This is douglas. Your thoughts so far. What are you expecting to get out of this impeachment hearing . Caller how are you . Fine, thank you. Caller okay. Heres my problem in a nutshell. The problem is is this is so divisive that, to me, me as the American Public, and i have read that 300page report, okay . And and trump should be impeached. But why not use censure . Cant you use censure as an option . You did that with andrew johnson, by the way, after the impeachment, he was acquitted for impeachment in 1866 by 1 vote. Douglas in rochester, new york, saying hes read the report. Just another report for you to read on our website at cspan. Org is the just released department of justice, the Inspector General report on the leadup to the russia investigation. Senator Lindsey Graham holding a News Conference this afternoon, 4 00 eastern. Our capitol hill producer, craig kapl kaplan, tweeting that the committee will hear the Judiciary Committee will hear from the Inspector General on wednesday in their hearing. Peoria, kansas, mark, go ahead, were waiting for the Judiciary Committee, the house Judiciary Committee to gavel back in. Caller biggest waste of t taxpaye taxpayers dollars are these hearings. Hes going to get acquitted in the senate, so why even bother . What have you heard so far that makes you think that the senate will acquit him . Caller well, the republicans have a majority. Party line. Theyre just going to vote against it. All right. To ken in sarasota, florida, on our democrats line. Caller i have a question. Im just curious that the republicans always talk about the fake news, whether its a journalist or a news station. Then all of a sudden, they want to quote from them. It seems kind of twofaced to me. When i grew up, you only talked out of one side of your face, not both of them. Thats all i have to say. You have a good day. You as well, ken. The Judiciary Committee broke for about 20 minutes ago and saying it will be a 15minute break. Theyre going to return to session here shortly. Lets see if we can get one more call. Sam on our others line. Go ahead. Caller hi. Well, id like to address the pattern of behavior in the Mueller Report if you talk about that first. The democrats keep going back to that. Looking right down the middle, if you look at the Mueller Report, the foundings of it with fusion gps, everything, you could tell that the steele dossier funded by the Clinton Campaign basically, and you can go all back to one big question for at least this hearing which is, where is adam . Thats a great question. Doug collins, the Ranking Member, talking to steve castor, Intelligence Committee republican, he and Daniel Goldman testified earlier and also are answering questions from all the members, the 41 members of the house Judiciary Committee. Youre watching live coverage here on cspan3. Committee will come back to order. We were when we recessed, we were engaging in questioning of the witnesses under the fiveminute rule. Well continue doing that. E recognize mr. Chairman, i have a unanimous consent request before we start. Gentleman will state his unanimous consent request. I would request that we enter into the record the fisa applications and other aspects of the fbis crossfire hurricane i reserve a point of order i think if were going to continue to what are you entering . The fisa report that just came out. Oh. The we need the Inspector Generals report well this whole thing. Well take that until we can review it, well rule on it late e i mean well hopefully grant it later. I withdraw my reservation. Mr. Sensenbrenner. Thank you very much, mr. Chairman. Id like to followup on the two series of questions the Ranking Member mr. Collins directed at mr. Goldman relative to the Telephone Company subpoenas and the inclusion of certain information in the majority report from the Intelligence Committee. Let me say that there are two issues involved. One rkthat is not involved in t legality of the subpoena. I believe that that was a subpoena that is fully authorized under the law and under congressional procedures. Where i do have a problem and really big problem, however, is the fact that somebody made a decision to match certain data, mega megadata, metadata, collected through the subpoena with phone members of journalists and members of congress, and that is the beginning of a surveillance state which i think is outrageous, particularly since with the freedom act in 2013, we curtailed the nscs ability about that. Now, had chairman schiff decided to man up and come here and talk rather than hiding behind mr. Goldman, his chief investigator, as his surrogate, if you will, i think we could have gotten to the bottom of this and we could have taken action to make sure that this never happens again. I do not want to see members of congress through their subpoena power being able to subpoena telephone records of private citizens willynilly without any kind of cause or to match the numbers up with somebody else to see who they were talking to and then going the next step and publishing the results of that match in a report that the minority hadnt seen until it was released. That i think is an abuse of power. Were talking a lot about abuses of power here in the white house and in the executive branch. Here we see a clear abuse of power on the part of the people who are prosecuting this impeachment against the president of the United States. They should be ashamed of themselves. Now, i come from the state where joe mccarthy came from. I met joe mccarthy twice when i was first getting into politics as a teenager. Folks, you have made joe mccarthy look like a piker with what youve done with the electronic surveillance involved. It is something that has to be put a stop to now. It is something that has to be fessed up to now, whether its you, mr. Goldman, that authorized the matching and the publication or whether it was chairman schiff. I would have loved to put chairman schiff under oath so that he could be required to answer the same way you have, mr. Golden, on how this all happened. But as one who has spent quite a bit of time curtailing the excesses of the patriot act which i authored with the freedom act which i also authored, you know, the surveillance state can get out of control. This is a major step in the surveillance state getting out of control in the hands of the congress and in the hands of a Majority Party that wants to influence political decisions relative to politicians, in this case, president donald trump, that they dont like. And they havent liked him from the beginning of his term. They have tried to talk about impeachment since the beginning of his term. They thought that the Mueller Report was going to be the smoking gun. It ended up being cap fiscal. Now theyre working on this. The steps they have gone, the violation of common sense, the precedent that they have started, and looking at the way the chairman has conducted this hearing today and in the previous hearings, not even to allow mr. Gaetz to make a point of order, that he cant see what you put on the screen, i think goes against the entire fabric, you know, of american democracy. Shame on those who have done it, and if we want to get back to something objective, maybe its time to push the recess button. I yield back. Chairman nadler, can i just respond quickly on the only because its mr. Chairman, i yielded back. No, no, no i didnt ask him a question. I made a statement. The gentleman yielded back. The gentleman yielded back. Ms. Jacksonlee is recognized. Lets get to the facts again. During the phone conversation on july 25th with president zelensky, President Trump was narrowly focusing on his own political survival using his Public Office for a private and political gain. The truth matters. Then we heard counsel for the republicans say the president s concerned about foreign aid because you could kiss it goodbye. Assuming thats referring to anticorruption. Lets look at the facts of the july 25th call. I happened to have read it just recently. Which sharply illustrates the president s willingness to abuse the power of his office for his own personal benefit. The memorandum of that call is on the screen in front of you and it shows that President Trump says, and by the way, right after president zelensky spoke about defense support and the javelins, i woui would lik to do us a favor, though. So this is a president s own behavior and words. Mr. Goldman, what was that favor . The favor was to investigate a debunked Conspiracy Theory related to ukraine interference in the 2016 election. Mr. Goldman, the Investigative Committees received evidence from multiple witnesses who testified that President Trump was provided specific talking points in preparation for the july 25th call geared toward protecting the american Peoples National security. Is that correct . The talking points certainly were part of the official u. S. Policy and included anticorruption efforts and National Security efforts, yes. Those talking points were provided to help the president effectively communicate official u. S. Policy interests during calls with foreign leaders, is that right . That is correct. Its a routine process that the National Security counscil does. The president is generally able too use then or not use them. The witnesses said the president is not required to use them. What was is a startling here, he not only veered off from them, he went to his own personality interests. Its fair to say such talking points signal the purpose of a given call. Correyes. Encouraged president zelensky to continue to promote anticorruption reforms in ukraine which has a focus of American Foreign policy in eastern europe. Is that correct . So to be clear, the talking points created for the president or other principals to discuss specific matters that really protect the American People, is that accurate . Is yes, generally. Witnesses such as tim morrison, senior director for europe, testified about what was not in those talking points. Now, mr. Morrison, were these references to crowdstrike to the servering 2016 election, and Vice President biden and his son, were they included in the president s talking points . They were not. Are you aware that it was no, it was not before and was not after this call. Anything ever found of those investigations that might have occurred . Im sorry, can you repeat the question . Anything ever found of those investigations that may have occurred with respect to the former Vice President . Every single witness said theres no factual basis for either of the investigations. So mr. Trump did not use official talking points . Correct. And there were fact witnesses who confirmed that . Thats right. When you hear those words, do you hear the president requesting a thoughtful and wellcalibrated Anticorruption Program consistent with u. S. Policy . So, mr. Goldman we do not. We were hoping we recommended the president very clearly support what president zelensky had run on in his own election and what his servant of the people party had run on in its election where it received a majority mandate. That didnt come up in the call, did it . No, sir. So, mr. Goldman, did the evidence prove that mr. Trump utilized his position of public trust in order to accomplish these goals, his goals, in order to hurt his domestic political opponent . Yes, thats what the evidence showed. Ive come to understand that americas values of democracy and justice must have the vital pillars of truth, factual truth, and trust. The former judge and one who said on this committee during impeachment in 1998, the truth matters. Its clear that the president really cared about did not really care about fighting corruption in ukraine but wanted his own personal interests to be considered. That kind of puts in perspective ambassador sondland that they didnt care whether ukraine actually investigated but really whether they Just Announced it. It is certainly well known that it is our duty as the president poses a continuing threat to under the constitution pursue the truth. That is our tooth. We are now proceeding to do our duty to find the truth. Thank you, mr. Chairman. The gentlelady yields back. The gentleman from ohio. Thank you, mr. Chairman. This is the second hearing on impeachment that this committee has held in the last week. I would submit that youre investigating the wrong guy. Lets look at the facts. Mr. Castor, ukraine thats been at the center of attention in this impeachment hearing has historically been one of the worlds most corrupt nations. Is that correct . Thats correct. And under legislation that Congress Passed, the National Defense authorization act, it was President Trumps responsibility, his duty, to see that u. S. Tax dollars did not go to ukraine unless they were making progress in reducing corruption. Is that also right . Yes, thats right. Isnt it true that joe bidens son, hunter, had placed himself right smack dab in the middle of that corruption . Yes, he did, burisma was one of the most corrupt companies in ukraine. Contrary to what House Democrats and many in the media would have you believe, the concerns about Hunter Bidens involvement in ukrainian corruption, they werent a vast rightwing conspiracy concocted by supporters of the president , are they . The concerns about hunter biden were first raised by the Obama Administration, is that right . Thats right. Also Washington Post, lot of publications and the state department. And the Obama Administrations concerns about be biden didnt end there, did they . Former ambassador to ukraine Marie Yovanovitch said she was coached by the Obama Administration on how to answer pesky questions related to hunter biden and burisma that might arise during her Senate Confirmation process, is that right . The state department was so concerned about this they gave her a mock q a on this question. And nearly every single witness who testified at the Intelligence Committee impeachment inquiry agreed that Hunter Bidens burisma deal created at the very least the appearance of conflict of interest, is that correct . Thats correct. And, you know, the Deputy Assistant secretary george kent testified that there was an investigation into burisma, into their head, and they were trying to track down 23 million that he had taken out of the country. They were working with the united kingdom. They were working, United States, united kingdom, ukraine was working on tracking this money down, and there was an investigation, active investigation, going on and a bribe was paid and that prescribe was paid, it allowed him to get off scotfree. Right around that time is when burisma went about sprucing up their board, shall we say. And yet, with all that evidence, the democrats on the Intelligence Committee under chairman schiff and now the democrats here are determined to sweep the Biden Corruption under the rug, ignore it, not let us call witnesses on it and instead, rush to impeach the president , all to satisfy, i would argue, the radical leftwing base. The service to the country. Imagine this, you got the Vice President joe biden in charge of