Transcripts For CSPAN3 History Bookshelf Kasey Pipes After T

Transcripts For CSPAN3 History Bookshelf Kasey Pipes After The Fall 20240712

Worthy of a book, probably a series of books. He rose from defeat to become americas elder statement. He reinvented what it means to be a former president , serving as advisor to everyone of his successors. You may 29 foreign trips and world with worked with World Leaders across the globe. To tell this remarkable story, pipes. Joined by kasey he served in the administration of president george w. Bush and at later a senior fellow gettings college. Would you please join me in welcoming the author of quote after the fall, kasey pipes . [applause] thank you all very much. Thanks for being here. Thanks for having me. John and chris and the entire nixon staff. After hearing all of the people coming up later this month, later this fall i want to come back. Neil gorsuch as well. Hewitt,o thank hugh president of the foundation, who was indispensable in helping me write this book. You could not be in better hands hugh. Nybody else but thent to thank couple of archivists who worked with me, Greg Cummings and pamela eisenberg, who i understand is retired. So many people helped me along the way. Fred fielding. Just tremendous number of people helped make this possible. I also want to say hello to , parents ofrry friends of ours in fort worth. Pitching coach for tcu and we live right around the corner. You guys get the award for traveling the farther is tonight. You came to an half hours. I hope the book is worth it. Let me know. I will be asking. And thanks to all of you for being here as well. Came backfirst time i to the library was 1995, i was an intern at the Ronald Reagan president ial library. John taylor was running things down here and john showed us around. I will never forget it. And then it came again in 2007 with the release of the eisenhower book. The bookin 2010, once was out, i began and was able to research it and began going and spent afiles few months here doing the research. When i first started doing this i wondered is there a market for this . We were the number one new arrival on amazon ahead of the bill oreilly. It was awesome. Thed an interview and interviewer was a sports guy and he spent 7 some two minutes walking me through the postpresidency. I said, i really appreciate you being on and you said, nixon is one of the most fascinating people. I have always been a fan of nixon. And an amazing career. I have always tried to tell the stories that have been untold but need to be told. To focus on stories that we know something about. The story let me to of eisenhower and civil rights. This is a story that needs to be told. We have an idea of what nixon was doing during this time. We have an idea that he was active. Hopefully you will agree that he was more active than we thought. Hopefully after reading this book you will realize he was more successful than you could have ever realized. ,efore delving into the book and i will take your questions at the end, i think we have to understand how high he climbed as president to appreciate how far he fell at the end of his presidency. You think of Richard Nixon in 1972. He opened the door on china. Deal beginning talks on a to end the war in vietnam. And yet less than two years later with public approval in the 20s, hes forced to resign and finds himself, as he says, really fighting for his life as he talks about in his diary and we will talk about that in a minute. There have been libraries of books written about his life. Libraries of books about his presidency and vice presidency. Crowleys memoirs which are wonderful and detailed. Ansons book. Sam theres never been a 20your volume that covers the entire story of what happens to him. Historians will always debate whether nixon was a great president. Debate he wass no a great expresident. Hishistory of postpresident ial years is the greatest mix story that is never really been told. Why a book about his life after watergate and if it is so important, why has it never been done before . The answer to the first question is simple. We have all experienced strife in stride strife and tragedy. None of us will experience professional setbacks like he did. In a sense, its a story about us. The other reason the story has is because then papers are privately owned by the familys. To secure the cooperation of the family in righting this book. Not only is this a new book about a new period of life of nexen, but it has new material in it. This is a very extraordinary period in the life of a very extreme very man. When Richard Nixon left the white house in 1974, he is no money, and no obvious way to make a living. Within weeks of moving back to sacramento, he faces a health scare. He faces years of litigation through case of what was on a certainly depression. Here is what he wrote in 1974 about how he might climb his way out. Write books, make speeches, and try to put things into context. This is the roadmap he would use for 20 years. Write books, make speeches, television where possible, and put things in perspective for the people and history and its amazing how well he did this. He did this so well and it becomes and he become so effective and well known that people begin to accept him back. The public begin to accept him back and the president do, too will. Part of the story the book is the story of the relationships of three president s, reagan, bush, and nixon. Mentioned three changes you will read about in this book. I think this is really the heart of what this book is about, is change. Nixon changes the very nature of the postpresidency. Postpresident , there are no post president s. They all die. Nixon knew all of these men, but he watched what they did in their retirement and what they did was very different than what he was going to do. They basically retired. Eisenhower goes to palm springs after year. He writes his memoir and then he writes another book in the spring much it. He becomes a doting grandfather. Johnson goes to his ranch. These are men that basically go away. Nixon has no such choice. He has to make a living. He has no money. Yesterday resigned from the bar in california. He has to resign from the bar in california. He wants to resign from the bar in new york and they wont let him because they want the privilege of taking him out. He has to find a way of making a living. What he does with no template is he invents the template that all expresident to this day more or less follow. He writes books. Theravels the world in country giving speeches. He stays in contact with other World Leaders. He talks to president s. He uses the power of his ideas to influence events in washington. You think about the post president s today. You think about clinton with the clinton fund. You think about george bush. You think about barack obama righting books. They are all, in some way, following the nixon model. Nexen did not have the option of retiring. He told john taylor that he had to remain active for his own health. He spent years righting book after book on his main area of expertise, Foreign Policy and becomes a trusted advisor and confidant to three president s. He doesnt just write books. He writes books that matter, books that people read and Pay Attention to. He did not just Say Something. He has something important to say when he was riding his books writing his books. He showed that he had an Important Role to play as an outside counselor. Carried his book around him for for one point in this house and you have an even closer relationship with nixon and nixon relished the chance. The only power he had left, which was his mind and his ideas to influence policy. He gives counsel to president s. He influences them. Let me give you something small. Nixon, shortly after reagan es president wants to reagan becomes president s, have a way was to to take care of his ability. This is a guy with tremendous political ability. To the country. He can rally the country, and nixon sees this and wants to take advantage of it. Early in the nixon administration, nixon sends a letter to mike deaver urging the creation of a weekly 10minute radio talk to allow the president to dominate the monday papers. Nixon suggest they do this on sunday. And the saturday morning radio address is born. That lasted from 1982 all the way until 2018 one trump discontinued it. Weve always known reagans started it. We never knew that the idea came from a letter from Richard Nixon. But his real contributions came from bigger matters of substance. When gorbachev comes to power, nixon meets with gorbachev. This is a man that reagan could do business with, as Margaret Thatcher said. He wants reagan to meet with gorbachev, but from a position ofs during of strength. When reagan announces his intentions to build the Strategic Defense Initiative nixon immediately doubts the science. But he loves the idea of using it for leverage in a negotiation , and almost from the beginning he sees it as a key bargaining chip. To pullbachev threatens out of negotiations remember in reykjavik, gorbachev walks out because he tells reagan, this is contingent on you getting rid of sdi. Reagan says no. Nixon suggest to bud mcfarlane, National Security advisor, i feel very strongly the president could pull off a coup by offering to mutually share with the soviets the results of our research on sdi. S would undercut her child which of gorbachevs position. He was right. He pops in men and brought him back to the negotiating table. Displayed a role in getting the soviets to agree to the inf treaty. Nixonresident bush, privately went to china after the Tiananmen Square tragedy. He met with chinese leadership and spoke brutally blunt language to him. Tiananmen, i told him would be the death of the relationship with the u. S. If it happened again. On returning home, he reported to the president who was faced with a political crisis in washington. Democrats and many republicans werent put sanctions on the chinese. But the fact that nixon deliver the message helped defuse the situation. He worked with Boris Yeltsin to assist to be to assist the emerging democracy. President clinton marveled at. He wisdom of nixon changes the postpresidency through his work with reagan and bush and clinton. In many ways, he changed himself. The conventional wisdom, during the watergate section of the interview, it is a myth that david frost and others have perpetuated for some time does the reality is quite different. They talked about it in advance, what he wanted to say when this question came up and he apologized for his moral failures. Would never admit to criminal wrongdoing because he did not believe he violated criminal laws. An accidentas during the frost and at and interviews, but as a planned answer to frostnexen interviews, but as a interviews, but as a planned answer to question. He began to reveal himself more become public be old public with people. When Hubert Humphrey was dying from cancer, he consoled his former rival. When he on up the phone, he turned to his aid that, i dont care what it takes, im going to his funeral. Start working on it. His wife anded said no former president should live in exile. To be seen inn public at his funeral because it would give the country a sense that there was forgiveness, that there was a grace. His first appearance in washington sense watergate since watergate. Then he emerged at another , giving the eulogy for his friend football coach woody hayes. This is what he said. He was never satisfied with success and he was never going to be discouraged by failure. There is a rule in life, nixon set of hayes, if you take no risk, you will suffer no defeats. Risks, youtake no will when no victories. Was certainly describing woody hayes, but he was also describing himself. When bud mcfarlane survived a failed suicide attempt, where he will govern the hospital, the first person he saw sitting by his bedside was Richard Nixon. You will need an anchor, he said. The bible on the nightstand. Your strong faith will get you. Through this friends abouttold the time his grandkids asked him what name he wanted to be called. Can coming anything you. Ant to call me, he said because ive been called everything. Shows him as a human. This shows him as someone who struggle through the l years of life and yet came out on the other side. Nixon in exile is a different man. In full. A man in full. Onan who can look back tragedy and failure, defeat and is defined response. He never gave up and theres a lesson in that for all of us. Remarkable to think that in august of 1974 when he left in disgrace, not even Richard Nixon could have imagined he would be back inside the white house giving president break and advice to Tiananmen Square, delivering a message that was important to the Bush Administration or meeting with bill clinton and becoming friends with bill clinton to the 1994,that in april of arrives at the funeral to deliver a magisterial eulogy when she says, my may the day of judging Richard Nixon only by watergate come to an end. Thosed nixon said only who have been in the deepest valleys can appreciate how magnificent it is on the highest mountaintop. Navigatingonstantly the peaks and valleys, Richard Nixon could look back once enjoy the view. That is the story of after the fall. I hope you read it. I hope you like it. With that, i am here to take questions or comments. [applause] thank you, kasey. We will take questions if you will raise your hands. I will come to you with a microphone. Can you give me what you think it should nixon would think of the Current Media arena and what in this dayis and age, we are so quick and spread viral instantly with social media, can you give me your take of how he would use that . He would certainly be more diplomatic than our current president , but i do not know that he thought were highly of them that our current resident does. There was favorable biography. Smith wrote a favorable review and nixon says to his staff, you know, the New York Times once a decade will Say Something nice about me. I guess they just wanted to get this decade out of the way. He always had a very skeptical view of the role of the media and ill think that improved over time. Environmente media is very different, all of the Different Social Media platforms. He was an innovator. The whole concept of these saturday morning radio address. He would be somebody looking for ways to use those tools to visit manage and to the president s advantage, whoever that president might be. I think he would be uncomfortable with how this resident does about that. I cant imagine he would enjoy reading some of the trump and n tweets. Rumpia thank you for coming and telling us about your book. I wonder if nixon ever acknowledge the sacrifices president ford made right giving him the pardon and shortcircuiting any legal process. No doubt about it, it cost ford quite a bit. It did. Sey there is a scene where ford comes to see him and its an emotional scene. I think it is as close as it t. Er god the pardon was difficult because he did feel bad about it. Expressed remorse, but he also did not feel like he is broken any law. As he said to frost, my mistake butcher. A very good he was trying to help these people in his view. Yet very complicated feelings on this topic and i dont know that would evering he have thought to sit down and talk to gerald ford about. They did not have a kind of relationship. It was a formal relationship. Theink the scene in hospital between the two men is probably as close as i can get to it. Its worth reading. It certainly she was in an emotional states. He he was in an emotional states. He almost died. Here comes the president. That i do not know that there was a lot of direct conversation between the two. About some ofalk the postresignation relationships . Halderman, coleman, and specifically henry kissinger. How are those relationships after . Kasey they were all very different. The kissinger relationship is very different. Has just written a book about that and how the two men jockeyed for credit over Foreign Policy accomplishment. It was a complicated relationship for sure. I think his relationship with some of his aides was a little more personal. And again, he felt their suffering very personally, particularly the ones who went to jail. Mitchell and ehrlichman and haldeman. Haldeman gets out of jail. Emotionaltty conversation. He felt their grief very personally. There are a lot of the stories and their and conversations. And soul of the book is to show him emerging from in 1974tional states and 1975 and really focusing on his policy objectives and taking him seriously as the next president and what he was trying to achieve. Tends to focusk on those relationships. Team, schultz,s headache, mcfarlane, bush, james baker, bill clinton. Those are described in more detail. You get a sense through the dialogue and those conversations of how much it weighed on him. He definitely felt a burden for each of those men. Hello, im a republican woman from northern california. Americanuralized originally born in taiwan. I have two questions. Activitye for my sons and when i was going through the museum i was very puzzled, why is it that president nixon later ron would go to china and establish that kind of relationship with china knowing that china is a communist country when i saw in the he said it was, clear we had come to a consonant tottering on the brink of starvation consonant tottering on the brink of starvation and chaos inent tavern onnt the brink of starvation chaos. Later on he feels so comfortable. Up i dont think i was taught properly in public education. I really feel after going through the exhibit that i dont think president nixon did anything wrong. I dont think he needed to resign. I wish he had stayed on and let the world know what kind of person he really is. The real criminals were the ones who broke into the building. I wonder if he felt compelled to do what he did because of National Security. They were dealing with a lot of communism. Those are my comments. Kasey theres a lot to impact their. Let me start with the first one. You mentioned nixon being a cold warrior. He was. China was part of his strategy. I think this is misunderstood that he was naive about china and he wanted to have good relations and bring pa

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