and for me this is -- the biggest problem, not with this bill, but with america in general is, we as americans are employing these illegal immigrants. if we didn't give them jobs, they wouldn't be here. this problem isn't really an illegal immigrant problem, it's really an american problem. we're giving these people work. you know why they don't have an illegal immigration problem in el salvador even though it's bordering mexico? because mexicans aren't going to el salvador. there's no work there. if there was no work here, they wouldn't be here. we're giving them work. we're doing that. and this is an us problem. i think we need to fix that problem -- >> larry: you agree with that, sheriff? >> well, first of all, carlos, violated the law crossing the border, coming into this area. we go into businesses and all the illegals, the majority, are there working, but they have phony identification, which is another violation of the law.