of speech also applied to small s chapter corporations that might only have one shareholder. there are more 4.5 million s chapter corporations in america. we have 56,000 in my home state of utah alone. these are small companies who want the legal protections that incorporating provides. these are family farmers. these are ranchers, mom and pop stores and other small businesses. before the citizens united decision, these small family businesses could be barred from using their regular budget for, say, a radio program or a family flet pope posing their congressman for a vote on a bill if it was that close to an election. do you believe the constitution gives the federal government this much power? >> senator hatch, congress determined that corporations and trade unions generally had this kind of corrupt impact -- >> i'm talk being about the 4.5