>> laura, we agree on the point. we don't have to pretend to disagree on the point. my disagreement with you is on the response to that reality. the response to that reality. >> states are supposed to do nothing and hope. >> larry: laura, don't interrupt. one at a time. >> the point here is that, we need comprehensive immigration reform. humane guest worker policy. that means a path to citizenship. that means we need to repeal nafta which create the push into the united states. all we talk is what happens when immigrants get here. what pushes them there? what kind of economic policies have drawn mexican farmers by stripping away their vitality in mexico. instead of engaging in reactionary politics, the right has been doing and the left has been sitting on its hands while this happened. >> larry: we are going to take a break. >> okay. >> when i get back, can i, one quick, larry, what -- >> larry: go ahead, laura, quick response. >> what we have in effect basically in, in land obama with an immigration, is a don't