aren't gay. they just wanted to be loved and cared for by one of the most powerful, charismatic men, that the churches have ever known. >> i was looking at you gentlemen's faces as that was going on. ted, this looks like it pains you. >> well, the human condition is painful. because anybody with a set of ideals, especially somebody obligated to teach the scriptures, has that set of ideals. and then they've got their inhumanity. what stressed me earlier is when you interviewed the church members, how they said he did so many good things, he couldn't have done this. that is not true. it's not reflective of the human condition. every pastor is a sinner while at the same time is a saint. it's a percentage thing. he's a human communicating divine things. and so that struggle is universal, and everybody has to accept that. one way or another.
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