can't be this generalized, nobody should bully and you shouldn't be mean. >> right. because kids are like, whatever. who cares about that. and it's another policy, it's another assembly that doesn't mean anything. one of the things i would really want all of us to think about, we sometimes think that, okay, we're going to do this in seventh grade. just like we teach math all through a child's education, we also have to do this, age appropriately all through their education. >> it's not enough to tell a child what not to do. and that's what's happening. teache teachers, administrators say, don't do that that's wrong. don't do that. we need to teach them what to do. if you're not going to do this, what are you going to do? how can you express yourself appropriately? how can you put in a program of inclusion where minorities or kids that are different can be included? but right now, there's a void. it's either do this or do nothing. >> to say don't say gay and not explain the whole concept of homophobia is ridiculous. >> here's what to say instead. here's what you're saying, that's what i said about empathy. you can't teach empathy but you can teach everything that leads