is this going to affect the consumer in one way or another? >> mastercard says it does not affect anyone using a mastercard. so far they have not been able to affect the payment sis that's online. but that may only be temporarily. anonymous, i was able to speak with some of the hackers in anonymous, and they say they will certainly try to push forward these kinds of attacks. so far, however, they don't quite have enough power to do that. but what's interesting about these kinds of attacks is it doesn't just have to be this circle of hacktivists as they call themselves. even if you've never had any experience with this, if you volunteer your ip address to anonymous, they can use that to power these attacks. the peer people they get involved the wider the attacks will become. >> you said you talked to some of these hackers from anonymous? are they willing to talk and get their message out and do they seem like, if you will,