he has had limited access to newspapers or telephone calls. indeed, it's been incredibly difficult for us to arrange visitations with him to take his legal instructions. we had our first visit yesterday for an hour. it's inadequate for us to take his instructions to prepare this appeal. >> what did he say during that visit about what has transpired? to some, he's a hero. to some, he's a villain. >> he's frustrated to be held in prison for a chime he hasn't committed and when i informed him of the allegations that have been circulating on, in the media about the allegations that he somehow ordered these hacking attacks on mastercard and visa. he sees this as a delibt attempt to -- wikileaks is a publishing