this table and the one where you're sitting with bill maher which i agree is hard to say, this has been america's kind of confessional. and 25 years is a towering, towering achievement. you're a giant in our business. >> i take it back. all of us have done interviews. all of us have done world leaders and heads of state and not so heads of state. no one has done more than you. you've been able -- you were my biggest competition. i hate to see you go but a little part of me says, oh terrific, now i can get them. nobody has done them as well. the week i was on, i guess, this fall, you had ahmadinejad on. and then jimmy carter was on the next night. i mean, and that's just routine for you. so -- >> larry: thank you, barbara. >> so missed, so missed. >> larry: before i ask katie, brian, you mentioned bill maher. what do you think of ryan seacrest?