the various programs, you know, the key thing here is can you fiscally balance budgets or push towards balancing budgets, eliminate programs, you know, add some revenue without killing each other. >> it is interesting, it seems so juvenile, basically both sides saying, you started it, no, you started it. >> oh, absolutely, anderson. the whole thing is just nonsense on both sides. and i don't think either side does itself any favors when it goes either on the blogs or on tv or on websites and tries to accuse the other side without having any facts to back it up. it demeans all of us and it demeans the political discourse, and it doesn't get us to where we need to be, to president obama's point. we have huge problems that we need to try to solve. so i do think it's incumbent upon our leaders to give the example to all of us that we can live up to, but it's also incumbent upon all of us, on you, anderson, on you, ed, on