so really makes you wonder how long did he allegedly plan this, how far in advance or did something snap that morning that made him go to that safeway supermarket. >> there was also the incident earlier from allegedly that the father had seen him with a black bag that turned out to have ammunition in it, the one found later. we don't know, though, what time that was, whether if he lost his ammunition there, he then had to go out to buy other ammunition. >> reporter: right. it was some time they think that black bag and that incident on the front lawn where his father was questioning him about the black bag and what might have been in it, that would have been between 7:31 a.m. and 9:30, they believe. so somewhere in that time frame he had this talk with his father on the front lawn, took off into the desert area with the black bag, and then his father tried to chase him down. >> one woman, pam simon, a friend of gabby giffords, who
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