you know it still amazes me because there are ministers that have more experience and, you know, they may be more educated or more talented. i don't know. i'm reaping the seeds my parents sowed pastoring the church. my parents stayed faithful there for so many years. >> what's the state of america spiritually, do you think? >> i'm an optimist and when we travel from city to city we see stadiums filled with people hungry for faith, hungry for hope. today there are churches all over that have thousands and thousands. i think feint america is at an all time high. >> i read contradictory reports. a lot of these figures are misleading. that actually when people count coming out of american churches
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