>> this is very harrowing stuff. it must be hard for you to watch as well, michelle. i'm going to start with you, john. you looked into this. >> yes. >> you are under no illusion that what we are seeing is genuine and michelle's mother was possessed? >> absolutely. everything was rolled out. she had all kinds of testing done, physical, mental. absolutely everything was ruled out. as time was going on during the investigation, pat started falling victim to this. she was exhibiting, you know, several of the different signs we look for. an enormous amount of strength, talking in a language she wasn't familiar with, familiar with different things. she was start tossing big, hulky guys around, holder her down, like they were rag dolls. >> are these classic signs of someone who has been possessed by the devil? >> absolutely. it falls into the category of what a true possession actually is.