father with all this international opinion weighted against him is going to be responsible for dpraging this into war and we talked about the fact that this is heading towards a civil war situation right now. if he is going to be responsible for that, lightning work right now, why doesn't he show you a move toward the middle ground. and he ruled that out. it's not going to happen. it's not on the card. he did say that it's just not going to happen now, wolf. >> it may not happen for his father. what about saif al-islam? he's had enormous contacts with the western world over the years. he's polished and sophisticated. is he determined to die in libya himself?