you have to commit -- for their self-they have to untie your hands. and i felt that did break it down just a little bit, that hostility. >> how do you deal with the fear? how do you not become overcome with fear? >> there's just no point. if you panic, you die. >> i think it helped we were together. there were moments when i was -- i couldn't stop crying and i felt so weak and i tried to sort of muffle it and i was trying not to cry. you know, inevitably one of them would say, there are people who love you, we're going to get out of this. so it's very helpful to have colleagues with you. we were so lucky that we were together. >> you had a driver, mohammed, who was stopped with you. you're not sure what happened to him. you think you may have seen his body? >> it's hard to say. i'll tell you what i did see. obviously, it was -- i was in sort of semi shock.