so now it's time to say if you're for immigration reform, security reform, you're anti-immigrant. that's an old straw man to use against republicans in the season. john, who is not just a border issue, governor of michigan had to do with an immigration problem and chertoff and homeland security, these are serious people and won't be propped. it's a serious problem. while it pops itself into the national process in a nonsolving way, they are still working on it in the border states obviously and other communities are dealing with it when the fed fails to take solutions into their own hands. >> am i being too cynical? could it get done this year? >> it probably won't get done. i could be cynical and say, literally, the republicans, every time we get close, decide that this ends up dividing -- it kind of divides the republican caucus more than it divides