against him is overwhelming, but until now, as i think we're see in the fight in misrata, in the fight outside ben ghazi, so far militarily, he's been able to hold his own, even -- i mean, i saw the list of what's included in the $25 million of nonlethal aid, binocular, body arm, some trucks. all of that is fine but if they don't have the troops to get into the field to use that stuff, what good is it? so don't they just need more troops and firepower in the field ultimately to get this over the finish line? >> well, he'll get the troops and other countries probably will provide them with the firepower. i think some of that's coming in. it's a matter of getting the organize, the training right. taking small steps and trying to -- instead of trying to take their whole country all at once. it would not surprise me to see these trainers on the ground from our allies also can communicate with the aircraft overhead. i think that's inevitable. that's going to happen. they're going to do whatever it takes to be effective against