their work. we are going to take it in the neck. >> i so agree with him. christine romans joins us from new york. have you ever looked for a great plumber? they are hard to find and they made good money. welders make great money by the way. peel don't realize that. there is this big push by president obama and the rest of our lawmakers. go to college. get a college degree. how do you get beyond that? and how do you try to convince kids to go to vocational schools of which you don't have enough of in this country. >> we don't have enough vocational training and high schools have been deemphasizing it. my electrician did go to college and has a lot of other electricians that did work for him. i call it a ladder job. a lot of the jobs on the lower end of health care, they are not ladder jobs. you are not going to climb up them. the skilled labor jobs are ladder jobs. you can be a boss and hire other