lessons of running for president, as opposed to running for senate, running for governor. it's a completely different deal. and as these primaries and caucuses begin to speed up, i mean, we know about the four in january, seven in february, 22 in march, 9 in april, i mean these things keep coming and coming and coming. we'll see whether or not as mary said there is the similar arc to the others and he begins on the downhill slope or this is real. there's no way to tell. remember, all the others lasted about 3, 3 1/2 weeks before they collapsed. rick santorum is in about week one. so he's got another couple of weeks. he may do well, but what happens, for instance, if he comes in third in new hampshire behind romney and paul? does that mean it's over for him and we all trot back over to perry to see how he's doing today? it's very hard to tell where this is all going to shake out. >> cornell -- >> we do know that iowa is not predictive. it has never been predictive. >> cornell, how do you see it? >> well, you know, i see it this way. you just laid out the case why perry is going to stay in,