and that he used them. >> he was on camera and miked. >> it wasn't private. >> well, to a certain -- it was not supposed to be. that's beyond it. that was 11 years ago. two wrongs do not make a right. we are supposed to act better. our audience deserves to be treated better and to sit there and continue to say these words, that does not help the conversation. i do not agree with them, but we should not use that language. just like you would not use other words on there. >> when you get on it, v and you defend those words, when you -- >> i don't defend the words. i defend the person. i don't defend his words. >> you're defending him. >> you repeat them. because i'm not going to take him out -- >> hold on. ten seconds. quickly, ten seconds. >> hold on, ana. >> when you are making explanations what you are doing you are coming on tv and being an accomplice and an enabler. i have to look at myself in the mirror and live with my -- >> scottie said we should be