if she goes, and you have, for example, sean hannity becoming the marquee primetime host, then it's a sign that they're going the other direction. as the conservative movement is sort of splitting away and trying to decide what it's about, fox news is like a microcosm of that battle. >> rich, do you agree with matt, or is it possible fox news can be all things to all conservatives or even moderates? >> well, i think it's going to be difficult. i mean, fox is going through its own changes right now. but you know, they have been up until this election and really including this election, the one place on television, cable television news where conservatives felt they were getting a fair shake. getting some respect, getting their point of view across. now, conservatives are split amongst themselves so some are unhappy with fox. or they like this host, they don't like that host. when the conservative movement sort of pulls itself together, it will be easier to serve them as a constituency.