and it is dangerous. but these terrorists want to cast themselves as the vanguard of a new world order. they are not. they are thugs and they are murderers and they should be treated that way. today's terrorist can kill innocent people. but they don't pose an existential threat to our nation, and we must not make the mistake of elevating them as if they do. that does their job for them. it makes them more important and helps them with recruitment. >> so, david gergen, as you understand, he's making a nuance point about the psychology of dealing with isis. contrast that with donald trump's view for me. >> they're both very good speakers but vastly different styles. a couple points. obama is cerebral. trump is primal.