cabinet. during the campaign he said he was going to drain the swamp. do you think these appointments are contrary to that statement? >> yes, i do. >> simple. okay. that's it. >> it remains to be seen what kind of job they'll do, but you have folks like betsy devos for education, rex tillerson. these are establishment people. these are not, you know, the people up from the body politics so to speak. these are well-healed people who have contributed to the party who have connections within the party, who have been in insider circles for throughout their careers. this is who donald trump is surrounding himself with. and i think it's by design, whether it works or not -- >> if you look at it at a different way, they're all outsiders. even someone like congressman tom price is a critic of the way hhs has been run. he's an outsider in that agency. that's why he's there. steve mnuchin has wall street experience but not of washington. neither is rex tillerson. they fit a similar profile of