going to reserve judgment on rex tillerson's nomination. what do you need to find out about him? >> you know have an open mind. i want someone who agrees with what donald trump said he campaigned on. and that was that regime change hasn't worked or made us safer and the iraq war was a mistake and the i don't know about tillerson. but i think those are important because if we don't learn from the mistakes of the iraq war we'll continue to repeat those same mistakes. i think donald trump gets that and i want his secretary of state to also. >> you have been vocal in your criticism of that war. obviously exxon mobil was able 20 go in after that war. but rex tillerson is going to be secretary of state and a different role. secretary of state condaleezza rice pushed. dick cheney praising tillerson. does that give you any pause? these were two of the biggest