program and maybe they want to get funding for their program or publicity, which will be a good thing if you're doing good stuff. but you need to be careful with hero worship of donald trump. you know, where was all of this philanthropy and all of this concern for the black community before? i don't remember any donald trump mentoring programs. >> here is what he said -- >> kieran, he said, what do you have to lose? now he has to deliver on that promise. he needs to do better things or what? >> well, he has to do lots better. but to the earlier point, you know, i have covered celebrities for 25 years and i've watched a lot of journalists be fronted with what it means to be in the pace with someone you thought you had opposing ideas with, who you thought you didn't like, and then come to find out there's banter, there's things you have in common. things become very humanized in the room. so to go from only knowing donald trump as the nasty politician that he's become to