efforts we can make against the russians that i suspect frankly may very well be on route simultaneously with these others to send the -- a comparable message to the russians. >> like what? >> denial of service attacks. they can wipe computer drives, they can do all sorts of interesting things like that. what they have to be aware of, though, and this is something th they emphasized, is we don't want to give away too much to the russians in this about what our capabilities are and what our offensive -- what defensive capabilities are. and that's something the russians would always be watching for in the event that we lit up some of these capabilities. so that's very important going forwar forward. >> general, what about that releasing these names acts as a deterrent, that the administration is taking action now that it has the information from the intelligence community. as a way from deterring something like this happening again? >> thank that is an a priori