condition for taking action. we don't want to give away our capabilities but at the same time it's very difficult to talk about proportionality or an in-kind or asymmetric type of response when we're talking about the cyber domain. we simply don't understand what that is. what is proportionality if they are, "involved" in our election. what's a proportional response to russia and what does that look like? i think in a kinetic spence in other those domains of war we have an understanding of what that might look like. >> so, david, putting these entities on a list where sanctions are incoming, this is a decision of the president's white house. but if donald trump, the president-elect, has said he is willing to undo executive orders put in place by president obama, what happens? >> it can be done in an instance