does he look at them as credible once he is in office and how does he also have americans believe that they're credible institutions too. at some point he is going to need these folks, he is going to want to make an argument about using force or whatever it is, and so how does he say then that they're credible? it's sort of a question about his entire administration. >> what about the other avenues of information? intake that he is going to rely on if this is dismissed. >> rudy giuliani, for instance, said he has to get his own people in there, but who are his own people? these are career folks. they're not political hacks. also, how, again, do they become credible folks? >> he has suggested, zeek, that some of the intelligence is politicized by political hacks, if you will, which is a real slur on the intelligence community, the career professionals who try to do their best to give the president or the president-elect of the united states the best assessments they have. >> that's certainly been his