bayrock, which is a company which invested in trump soho which is backed by russian interests. so the facts that, i mean, if donald trump wants to show his taxes so we can actually do this deep dive, that's aold tire song, we've been there done that. but to sit here and say there are no ties and you don't know anything of it, i mean, michael flynn was just in moscow last week. >> based on -- >> michael flynn was in moscow last year. he was in moscow last year at a gala as a guest of vladimir putin. >> well, under those standards anybody who has anything to do with russia donald trump is supposed to stay away from i guess. but let me say this. during the hearing process when mr. tillerson's up there or mr. pompeo, senators can ask them almost anything under the sun. and they can drill down on any of these questions and say are there relationships. do you feel uncomfortable if there are relationships. what would you do if you found out -- i mean, the hearing processes are really tough things. >> let me -- hold on, hilary. let me restate bakari's question. hilary, i promise i'll let you