>> carl: no, no, go sit down. >> man: for the interview. >> anthony: which is better, to be your own man, uphold family tradition in a dangerous ever-shrinking, ever more difficult business trying to catch fish in the sea or carry a golf bag for a wealthy tourist? i couldn't tell you. i was in the service industry cooking people's food for most of my working life so it's not like i have anything against it, but i don't know. >> carl: it's a joyous day. let us find the spirit in man and travel to the unknown. at the end because we're here in the present that it just started. it is coming we out of the unknown, out of the nothingness, and we're going to go on into the information highway into the celestial. we are what you call astral travelers, so traveling dimension to dimension. if one man die, all men dead.