>> as i've indicated, senator, i really believe that it's important and it's a partnership between the epa and the states. i made reference to the phrase earlier national standards and neighborhood solutions. i think that that shows that the epa can be involved and should be involved in setting standards, setting objective science-based standards to improve air quality and protecting the health of our citizens. >> obviously you know that a lot of local businesses complain about the epa, about bureaucrats in washington, d.c. setting rules and not really understanding what's going on in their neighborhoods. how do you respond to that general criticism and mr. prut's suggested remedy? >> i think that mr. prut can say whatever he wants, but he has a very long history of partnering with corporations. he has a very long history of partnering with corporations against the interests of american citizens. so, when he talks about partnering, makes me very nervous because of the fact of the matter is when he was in