what we want to do is we want to give them leverage in the marketplace. that's what the basic health plan does. that's what the community-based care plan does. it gives them the ability to get more affordable care at better outcomes and is saving us money. so, if you could give us a response. i see my time is expired. look at those two programs and tell me whether you support those delivery system reforms in the affordable care act. >> be happy to. >> thank you. >> thank you, senator. that would end our first round. i'd like to not go through a full second round. but we've got some additional senators here who would like to ask some more, so i guess we'll start with senator wyden. >> thank you, mr. chairman. congressman, i have several ideas on -- >> we're going to break away from the hearing momentarily to assess what we've just heard. an important hearing before the senate finance committee. the confirmation process for