override because i'm giving him that power. >> what do you make of that? >> first of all, i'm very glad that mattis is secretary of defense. i have worked with him closely while i was on the armed services committee. i think he is a very smart man and very capable and it is good that he is in the place that he is. to have a secretary of defense with jim mattis's credibility to sort of balance out some of the more extreme statements and positions the president has taken is a positive. but also, extensive studies have been done on this. and basically, torture doesn't work. interrogation works when you do it in an entirely different way. and we have had this vaer mucre and studied all eefr tover the . when you torture someone they will pretty much tell you whatever you want it hear. that doesn't necessarily make it true. and john mccain has been very outspoken on this. i applaud him for taking a tast