>> it's interesting because what's amaze being this story is how much we don't know. what we know is there seems to be a lot of activity. it seems to be more than previous administrations. the administration does things differently and the campaign did things differently. when people were talking about five or six calls made. were they calling back? we have russia involved. >> we have michael flynn during the campaign. the guys like this, why would they be in regular contact? what would be a reason? >> it could simply be an intent to establish a relationship or it could be sinister. the president doesn't like to think the russians are not our friends, but they like to destabilize. they are masters at it and no reason why they wouldn't be doing it to both sides. we don't know if they were call backs and what we don't know is