really, really baffling. >> good point. >> and then, of course, there's the next layer, a different layer that you didn't mention which is carter page, somebody on the letterhead of the trump campaign as a national security adviser who did business, lived in moscow for a while and now is telling cnn, admitting to cnn and others that he did have a meeting with somebody who he didn't realize at the time turned out to be a russian spy propositioning him to work with him. so -- and that was years ago. regardless, if you add all of this up, i mean, that even in and of itself is a dramatic story. but you include him with the trump world and everything else that's been going on, you know, it's -- lee add to greg, it's very perplexing. >> perplexing. i think you said it perfectly. if there is no fire, they are the ones creating the smoke. greg pointed out in his piece, no one is learning about these