different. there is a steady beat of trump, russia and this week feels different. >> that's right. i think one of the things that happens in this type of story, this is what we are going to see concerns that there perhaps might have been an effort at a cover up. pam handed one. for god's sake, it's stilling out into the newspapers. >> a reality check perhaps. enormous developments in the last two hours. we are not there yet, right? there is a lot of smoke here, but even investigators that pam and i speak with on the hill. they haven't established hard evidence of collusion. tell us where we are not at yet in terms of impeachment or danger for the administration. >> let me say someone who worked in the white house, we never experienced anything like this,