>> it's the equating of that with insight, expertise, virtue. if someone has been economically successful on their own, i.e., they haven't been given to them. the crowd in cedar rapids is eating it up. partly because it's a tribal environment. >> dana, my point is this -- you talk to different people and get lots of different opinions about it. but it was a big thrust, when trump was campaigning, what would he say to these people, the working class in general, i know these guys, i know how they make their money, they can't do that to me, i'll take care of it. instead he's surrounded himself with. now he's saying, poor people, i love them, but they're not as good as rich people when it comes to certain jobs. >> i went to trump rally after trump rally, definitely they're not monolithic, but i did hear