in fairness, it's not just russia, there are probably a half dozen other countries that we're briefed on in congress on a regular basis that are making cyber security attacks either as a nation or individuals in those nations trying to penetrate our infrastructure capabilities. you name it. if they can get to it, they try it. >> one of the problems we're seeing is one of simple politics. the president doesn't like the implications of russian hacking on the election in 2016. he thinks it delegitimizes him so he's pushed it to the side as recently as the day before the putin meeting he was saying what you're saying now, but to a different degree. he was saying, okay, maybe it was russia, maybe it wasn't, nobody knows for sure he was tasked with looking at a meeting, looking at the leader of russia? the eye saying we know what you