any matters -- >> from nine years previous. >> has nothing to do with the campaign. >> that may very well explain. if donald trump jr. himself said in 2008 we see a lot of money coming in from russia. it may very well explain how they had these contacts such that don jr. was so easily able to set up these meetings. it may explain how they were able to directly coordinate in june of 2016. it's absolutely relevant. >> if they have all these ties why would they need to find this 400 pound ex-music producer to make an introduction. >> the music -- [ overlapping dialog ] >> that's what the lawyer for the russians initially said early on in the week. but then we learned that actually they didn't really need it. because actually there are connections between the trumps and this family. and the family had a representative in this actual meeting. so the lawyer early on was portraying this of this russian attorney just used the pop star because she was an acquaintance