schedule for when he can testify publicly. as you know, the subpoena was for today, so, it was very short notice. and i don't fault him for negotiating back from that. we are also seeking a variety of documents, and potentially even a staff interview to prepare the committee for questions at a public hearing. so, it's regular work ongoing in the committee to prepare for a good public hearing later. and i approve of all of that. we are kind of tied up right now with health care and we have the august recess at some point coming. so, i would not expect at this point to see paul manafort or don trump, jr. in the judiciary committee until september. but i do think it is the committee's expectation we will see them in the committee in public hearing in september or perhaps october. >> senator whitehouse, thanks so much for joining us. >> my pleasure. thank you, wolf. >> senator whitehouse of rhode island. we have much more on all the breaking news right after this.