would go before a judge and say that you have something to go before. i think you want it to somehow be desperately involved in the campaign. >> you say me? >> i'm saying you, yes. i'm saying i think you would love this to be directly about the campaign. >> that sounds psycho. [ overlapping dialog ] >> what are my motivations? ben, you need to come to my house and find out what i really like. >> don lemon. >> i feel like, i feel like we're in a bar. >> paul manafort for things he did when he had nothing to do with donald trump, trump tower, trump campaign or anything else. >> how do we know that? >> how do you know that. listen. stop, stop, stop, stop. stop, stop. that doesn't matter. what does that have to do with the presidency? he was still the campaign chairman of donald trump's campaign. >> but he got fired. >> so what? he was still involved. he was still involved. all right. let's talk about this. this is a clip. this is a clip from senator -- a