particularly late last month, late july after paul manafort, the former trump campaign chairman met bind behind closed doors to talk about that. the meeting where donald trump jr. was promised dirt from the russians. after that interview with the senate intelligence staff, robert mueller tried to get a copy of the transcribed interview but he was unable to get that because of a deal that was cut. this is all because of a number of investigations that are happening right now. they are overlapping in certain ways. i had a chance to talk to richard burr, he told me about what happened at that meeting. they're trying to learn must be about it as what the russians under intended to do in meeting with donald trump jr., manafort