at least the prosecutors think that's a very likely prospect. in the hope you get cooperation. and it does feel as though the investigation has ramped up in this regard. it has always struck me one of donald trump's greatest vulnerabilities is that he ran a very haphazard, crazy, unstructured campaign with a lot of people who, frankly, did not have a reputation for the highest ethical standards, the highest legal standards. and the result is that he has gotten associated with those kinds of actions. i don't think we know whether trump himself was involved, knew. but what we do know is that the campaign was trafficking with people who clearly have been playing fast and loose with these things. as you can see in that meeting. that meeting is prima facie evidence. whether or not it succeeded -- you know, the argument against is is that nothing came of it.